lowdown Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Not sure this should be posted in 'General Bassists Discussions' Or...erm....Basses for sale. Is this man a legend? or something else? Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Jazz? Solo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 IMO definitely something else...............certainly not a bass player. Aweful playing, terrible sound. Sorry, never have rated this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_B Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I'd say he has quite a bit a bit of stuff in his back-catalogue that's better than this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I've been listening to Joy Division all week - there's a few humdingers on there (and not in a good way). Peter Hook as a 'solo' bass player? The emperor has no clothes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='Jerry_B' post='1136421' date='Feb 21 2011, 10:28 PM']I'd say he has quite a bit a bit of stuff in his back-catalogue that's better than this [/quote] I have some stuff in my BACK PASSAGE that's better than this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted February 21, 2011 Author Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='steantval' post='1136447' date='Feb 21 2011, 10:39 PM']I have some stuff in my BACK PASSAGE that's better than this [/quote] Very good. Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='lowdown' post='1136413' date='Feb 21 2011, 10:21 PM']Is this man a legend? or something else?[/quote] Definitely something else. I've always thought he was a dodgy player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I wonder what David Cameron thinks about Peter Hook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 [quote name='lowdown' post='1136413' date='Feb 21 2011, 10:21 PM'] Not sure this should be posted in 'General Bassists Discussions' Or...erm....Basses for sale. Is this man a legend? or something else? Garry[/quote] Captain Hook could probably do a better job than this guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 I once saw a kid trying a bass for the first time in a music shop. He wasn't as good a player as Peter Hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_B Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 So Hooky noodling about on a bass is going to be an excuse to slag off his whole career then? Tut tut I know he's not one of the sacred cows of bass playing (apparently), but I'd imagine people wouldn't stand for the same sort of comments being made about those aforementioned cows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 He's always had an interesting sound and approach to the instrument, and I don't feel very well equipped to criticise his playing when he was in Joy Division and New Order and I wasn't. Sure he's not a virtuoso but I don't think he's ever claimed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransistorBassMan Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 In my opinion you don't need to be a virtuoso to be a good musician. Peter Hook is good at what he does and it works brilliantly within the context of Joy Division and New Order. I wonder how good Love Will Tear Us Apart would have been without that bassline.... I'm not going to slag him off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='TransistorBassMan' post='1136784' date='Feb 22 2011, 09:59 AM']In my opinion you don't need to be a virtuoso to be a good musician. Peter Hook is good at what he does and it works brilliantly within the context of Joy Division and New Order. I wonder how good Love Will Tear Us Apart would have been without that bassline.... I'm not going to slag him off![/quote] that wasn't really a bass line though was it..... it was a melody line played on a bass. That could have been any instrument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransistorBassMan Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='crez5150' post='1136788' date='Feb 22 2011, 10:02 AM']that wasn't really a bass line though was it..... it was a melody line played on a bass. That could have been any instrument[/quote] Would it have been so effective on another instument? Is there a specific definition of a bassline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 It's only bad because he was sitting down. If he was doing his "you can't get a fag paper between his bass and the floor" stance it would have been sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_B Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) [quote name='crez5150' post='1136788' date='Feb 22 2011, 10:02 AM']that wasn't really a bass line though was it..... it was a melody line played on a bass. That could have been any instrument[/quote] You could say the same thing about alot of stuff played by other bass players - most of it could be played by a guitar. Take the more fiddly stuff played by some bassists - the same thing could be done on a guitar. Edited February 22, 2011 by Jerry_B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Jerry_B' post='1136829' date='Feb 22 2011, 10:34 AM']You could say the same thing about a lot of stuff played by other bass players - [b]most of it could be played by a guitar.[/b][/quote] Wrong octave comes to mind, but hey whats taking it up the octave amongst friends... Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) Joy Division & New Order work, and he was part of that, and I love them both This however is neither Edited February 22, 2011 by lojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='TransistorBassMan' post='1136784' date='Feb 22 2011, 09:59 AM']Peter Hook is good at what he does and it works brilliantly within the context of Joy Division and New Order. I wonder how good Love Will Tear Us Apart would have been without that bassline.... I'm not going to slag him off![/quote] ^ This gets a +1 from me. And let's face it, maybe Peter Hook is testament to the fact that there's more to making it in the 'music biz' than having technical chops. I mean sure, it's easy to criticise if you're a well-practiced bedroom or pub-band musician... but he was to a large degree the 'rock' upon which JD (and the Hacienda nightclub) were built, so props to him for that. But then I'm an adopted Mancunian, so I'm bound to look after my own! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Jerry_B' post='1136829' date='Feb 22 2011, 10:34 AM']You could say the same thing about alot of stuff played by other bass players - most of it could be played by a guitar. Take the more fiddly stuff played by some bassists - the same thing could be done on a guitar.[/quote] Not really..... hooky plays up the neck.... it's not a bass line is it.... I mean would 'Good Times' by Chic sound the same if the bass line was played on guitar... I think not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 [quote name='Skol303' post='1137359' date='Feb 22 2011, 05:33 PM']^ This gets a +1 from me. And let's face it, maybe Peter Hook is testament to the fact that there's more to making it in the 'music biz' than having technical chops.[/quote] And a cursory glance at most of the Music Biz for the last 40 years will show that technical chops are usually the last thing you need. I like Hooky - one of the few bassists who, whether by accident or design, has a unique style & sound which has defined most of the music he's been involved with. Unlike any number of condescending & bitter Bedroom Jacos. Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risingson Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Threads like this always remind me of how unadventurous and if I'm honest, how close-minded people can be. As someone's already pointed out, the guy had a hand in Joy Division and New Order, and produced two of the most instantly recognisable bass lines of recent memory. He's an incredibly inventive bass player, and whilst a lot of the time I choose not to listen to Joy Division or New Order's music much anymore, I can't help but feel a lot of the criticism aimed at him is based on his perceived inability to fall in line and take on the typical role of what a bassist is 'meant' to do. Boring... at least give him the credit playing for contributing towards his music in his own unique way before claiming that 'he's not a bass player because he doesn't play the bass parts'. It's such a redundant argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I can't stand him or his playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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