essexbasscat Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 (edited) There's an ad on T.V. doing the rounds at the moment and the sound track is (I get the) Sweetest Feeling, sung by Jackie Wilson Between the lyrics; 'Girl, when you hold my hand' / Bum note / I feel so grand that I could cry. Listening to it, the desired note to fit the melody is a tone lower than the one first struck, which the bass player drops to straight away. Thing is, it keeps coming back to me that the howler has actually become a characteristic of the song and that the melodically correct note would only detract from the song, which is to my mind, a real classic. What do you think ? If you played this song on stage, would you include the bum note ? as played on the song ? Edited February 27, 2011 by essexbasscat Quote
pietruszka Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Well spotted! Though it doesnt sound like a bum note to me to be honest with you. Though live I would play it. Theres Bowies Rebel Rebel I think it is, where Bowie says 'one back' on the record 'cos the bassist goes to the chorus one bar too early. Most covers bands sing 'one back' but the bassist never plays the mistake! I wonder how many more there are like that out there? Dan Quote
Doddy Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Hmmmmm,I'm not sure. The Bowie track is Jean Genie. Trevor Bolder goes to the B chord a bar early. Quote
pietruszka Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Jean Genie! I knew it was one of the 2! Thanks for clearing that up! The track in the OP is great, just sitting with my bass now learning it. Dan Quote
icastle Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Unless the rest of the band had a real issue with it, I'd have to correct it - that's probably more of a personality thing than a musical one, I like things neat and tidy... Quote
essexbasscat Posted February 27, 2011 Author Posted February 27, 2011 The octaves in the chorus. Is it possible to get that kind of expression without flats and dampening sponges ? Does anyone else find it almost too easy to over - emphasise the top note when playing those octaves ? Quote
chris_b Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Bum notes weren’t an issue back then. Studio time was so expensive that if the feel of the track was good they didn't go back to rerecord any parts. In the days of 2 and 4 track sessions you were probably sharing a track with 2 or 3 other players so they would have had to redo their parts as well. Most music recorded up to the mid 60's was only ever listened to on a car radio or Dansette with a 2x3 inch elliptical speaker so most bum notes weren't that noticeable anyway. 1 Quote
Hobbayne Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Theres a bum note, well chord played by Sir Macca on piano on Let It Be, Have a close listen after the guitar solo, under the word "mother" Macca plays a wrong chord. Sticks out like a sore thumb to me Quote
pietruszka Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='essexbasscat' post='1143191' date='Feb 27 2011, 12:13 PM']The octaves in the chorus. Is it possible to get that kind of expression without flats and dampening sponges ? Does anyone else find it almost too easy to over - emphasise the top note when playing those octaves ?[/quote] I've been playing it by damping the stings by resting my spare fingers just past the fret I'm playing on, and playing closer to the neck, TOP Rocco style. Not perfect but gives a similar sound to my ears. Dan Quote
bigjohn Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Not really a[i] bum[/i] note for me. It doesn't sound out of key, nor out of time. It's just slightly different from the first verse. That said, it doesn't sound intentional, sounds like he's gone "on the swing" a beat early. Quote
Guest McBass Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 You should get Standing in the Shadows of Motown and study Jamerson's bass lines,he was a genius and a fearless player.In my opinion that's never a bum note. Quote
icastle Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='essexbasscat' post='1143191' date='Feb 27 2011, 12:13 PM']The octaves in the chorus. Is it possible to get that kind of expression without flats and dampening sponges ? Does anyone else find it almost too easy to over - emphasise the top note when playing those octaves ?[/quote] Well if you want to get the totally original sound then flats are certainly the way to go - I don't think there was a choice of rounds in those days. The general tendency is to 'snatch' the octave note but that can be 'practised out'. Quote
Count Bassy Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 I think it's great. Personally I find this sort of thing a welcome relief from todays over produced, over dubbed, pitch corrected stuff. At least you know its being made by people rather a a computer. Quote
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='Count Bassy' post='1143278' date='Feb 27 2011, 01:31 PM']I think it's great. Personally I find this sort of thing a welcome relief from todays over produced, over dubbed, pitch corrected stuff. At least you know its being made by people rather a a computer.[/quote] A big plus one to that. Quote
pietruszka Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='Count Bassy' post='1143278' date='Feb 27 2011, 01:31 PM']I think it's great. Personally I find this sort of thing a welcome relief from todays over produced, over dubbed, pitch corrected stuff. At least you know its being made by people rather a a computer.[/quote] Well said. Dan Quote
62P-Bass Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 I reckon it's definitely a wrong note and I probably wouldn't play it live. It does work though, so after you've listened to it a few times it starts to make sense and you start to hear it that way, which is probably exactly what they did in the studio! Andrew Quote
KK Jale Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Here, here. Real music. I've never been sure of a certain note that Steve Cropper played on (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay. The chords go G - B - C - A but over the B he plays a G#, the sixth. Either he muffed the barre chord or it's pretty, um, brave… but now so much part of the song. It's in verse 2 at 0:50…. "Left my home in Georgia…" [i]Ding![/i] "…headed for the Frisco bay…" [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCmUhYSr-e4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCmUhYSr-e4[/url] Quote
lowdown Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Might have been a mistake, but its between the two lead vocal notes, and fits in with the string line, backing vox line and vibes... So whats a Db/Eb amongst friends.. The Bass through out the whole tune sounds like its busked [very well ] over a chord sheet, with a few little twists & turns - so within keeping. Great song with a great feel. Garry Quote
casapete Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='Doddy' post='1143170' date='Feb 27 2011, 11:54 AM']Hmmmmm,I'm not sure. The Bowie track is Jean Genie. Trevor Bolder goes to the B chord a bar early.[/quote] Saw Trevor in Waitrose last Thursday! (Apparently he gets a bit fed up of bassists asking him about 'Jean Genie') Regarding the OP, was n't it Jamerson / Funk Brothers on the original Jackie Wilson track? (Therefore could n't be a bum note.......!!!) Quote
Guest McBass Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='casapete' post='1143418' date='Feb 27 2011, 03:32 PM']Regarding the OP, was n't it Jamerson / Funk Brothers on the original Jackie Wilson track? (Therefore could n't be a bum note.......!!!)[/quote] Exactly......! Quote
Blademan_98 Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 Wow, I don't think I will ever post a serious recording on here! I NEVER play bum notes, just LOADS of chromatic passing notes! That will be my coat I'm getting then Quote
chris_b Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='KK Jale' post='1143342' date='Feb 27 2011, 02:22 PM']....I've never been sure of a certain note that Steve Cropper played on (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay....[/quote] Anything could be happening on that track. I believe they only had a basic track and most of it was recorded after Otis died. Quote
icastle Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='Blademan_98' post='1143532' date='Feb 27 2011, 05:01 PM']I NEVER play bum notes, just LOADS of chromatic passing notes![/quote] Quote
essexbasscat Posted February 27, 2011 Author Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='casapete' post='1143418' date='Feb 27 2011, 03:32 PM']Saw Trevor in Waitrose last Thursday! (Apparently he gets a bit fed up of bassists asking him about 'Jean Genie') Regarding the OP, was n't it Jamerson / Funk Brothers on the original Jackie Wilson track? (Therefore could n't be a bum note.......!!!)[/quote] A huge +1 to the authenticity of the human touch, mistakes n'all. About Jamerson - didn't Marvin Gaye haul JJ out of a bar absolutely rat - ar**d back to the studio, where he recorded What's Going On laying flat on his back on the studio floor ? Quote
Guest McBass Posted February 27, 2011 Posted February 27, 2011 [quote name='essexbasscat' post='1143918' date='Feb 27 2011, 10:01 PM']About Jamerson - didn't Marvin Gaye haul JJ out of a bar absolutely rat - ar**d back to the studio, where he recorded What's Going On laying flat on his back on the studio floor ?[/quote] Yeah....that's how good he was. Quote
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