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[quote name='Mickeyboro' post='13765' date='Jun 7 2007, 07:37 PM']Here's one on the bay

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR-Fender-Precision-Bass-August-13th-1966_W0QQitemZ280122888772QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4713QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR-Fender-P...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
But is it really as old as it's claimed?[/quote]

Anyone got a match?

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[quote name='Mickeyboro' post='13765' date='Jun 7 2007, 07:37 PM']Here's one on the bay

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR-Fender-Precision-Bass-August-13th-1966_W0QQitemZ280122888772QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4713QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR-Fender-P...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
But is it really as old as it's claimed?[/quote]

Message to seller:

'If that's a '66 P, you can tickle me nuts and call me Susan.'

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[quote name='MB1' post='13757' date='Jun 7 2007, 07:26 PM']MB1. :)

Whats it all about P Bass?(was that not a hit for cilla black?)
seriously though, you instinctively know when youve got a good one.once played a second hand american one, and was very close to purchasing the bass ,and strangely enough, was talked out of it, by the guy who worked in the shop(who is also a friend).he knows, i do tend to sell ,swap ,exchange basses from time to time, and i doubt this one would have appealed to everyone due to its colour purple(wasnt the most saleable of colours at that time).definately a one that got away!.
MB1.[/quote]

I don't get through gear very quicly - a bass probably comes and goes once a year (is that a lot?). I bought this one at the beginning of last year when I was doing non stop overtime. It was £599 on soundslive so I figured I stood to lose about £99 if it didn't suit and that seemed worth a gamble. I don't much like the colour (candy red) but it was a ton less than the next one, if I keep it I'll have a go at royally stuffing it up with a repaint (I've seen enough of this forum to know I can find detailed advice on that). I'm not convinced I've landed a good 'un though - I'll have to try a few more out.

"What's it all about P Bass?" - I thought it was George Clinton - I stand corrected.

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[quote name='paul, the' post='13783' date='Jun 7 2007, 07:59 PM']Message to seller:

'If that's a '66 P, you can tickle me nuts and call me Susan.'[/quote]


+1 ----- "If thats a '66 you'd all better start kneeling before me as I am.........Pope Bob I "

As for :-


[i]"What's it all about P Bass?"[/i]


I have a love/hate relationship with mine, (for you skinny neck types, I actually PREFER wider necks and wont have a J because of that! and yes I can crush Walnuts in my hands !) that being said even my PRSs on a good day cant make that 'real blues sound' quite the same as that frustrating P with flatwounds on...... (and I'll be jiggered if I can work out why!)


You ask about P basses /bassists at their very best? check out Pino Paladino with John Mayer or any of his latest projects....!

He da man!

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[quote name='Mickeyboro' post='13765' date='Jun 7 2007, 07:37 PM']Here's one on the bay

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR-Fender-Precision-Bass-August-13th-1966_W0QQitemZ280122888772QQihZ018QQcategoryZ4713QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BASS-GUITAR-Fender-P...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]
But is it really as old as it's claimed?[/quote]

that looks totally weird... the headstock is too large for a full size P-Bass anyway...

looks to me like an Encore 3/4 size crappo Bass that's had someone scrawl an end code on the neck and slap a Fender decal on the headstock...

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I think the headstock size is an artefact of the angle the photos were taken - its a common feature of photos that are taken from above.

Still don't mean it's a 66 mind. The bit I like is it looks brand new - possible if its been in a case under someones bed for 40 years, but there is no hard case! No bids - I wonder why.

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While you're at it, have a look at ...

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-Precision-Bass-RARE-In-White_W0QQitemZ120128802229QQihZ002QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-Precision-Bas...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

:)

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[quote name='Happy Jack' post='14138' date='Jun 8 2007, 12:45 PM']While you're at it, have a look at ...

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-Precision-Bass-RARE-In-White_W0QQitemZ120128802229QQihZ002QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fender-Precision-Bas...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

:)[/quote]

Now't wrong with that apart from being £150 over-priced.

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Saw this one yesterday. I'm sorry, white MIMs are not rare. As for the price. Lol!

There is another white/black P-bass MIM, which has gone up to £280 in 2 bids. WTF! Just buy it new online and change the plate yourself.

[url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-new-Fender-Standard-Precision-Bass-Guitar-Custom_W0QQitemZ320123455259QQihZ011QQcategoryZ4713QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Brand-new-Fender-Sta...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url]

[i]I have two fender P Basses made in the USA factorys and this is the one I opt to use[/i]

evidently not, as you're selling it. :)

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That is no more a 66 P than I'm Sir Ranulph Fiennes. The neck date has been put on with a 50p office accessory, and even just looking at that particular pic, there's two glaring ommisions. It would say XXmonth66Y, where Y = A, B, or C, for the different neck widths available then. Also, where's the truss rod adjuster? The headstock logo is wrong, and there's something resembling the 'offset contour body' decal on the ball of the headstock, and no P has ever had one o' they! T top it off, who'd start a 66 P at less than a grand?

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I've recorded a bit of practice / doodling this afternoon that I've been messing with over the weekend. I've posted it up on the recordings board but While I was there I thought I'd do a bit of science and see if it'll help me figure the P out (big apologies to all of you who now just want to scream "what is there to figure out")


I've rendered two alternative versions, with the stingray and the P <coming soon!> taking turns on the fingerstyle line for a few bars. By the logic I've picked up here I'd say the P was a better choice for the fingerstyle line - it's got a very 70's feel. Here's my experiment to find out - you can be the judges - I'm sure there'll be no impartiality whatsoever among all you Precision devotees here :). You can find them on my very hasty myspace page

[url="http://www.myspace.com/incompletomajorsounds"]http://www.myspace.com/incompletomajorsounds[/url]


I think it might be the active / passive difference that's throwing me as probably been built around it. I tend towards a light touch and I'm used to the response of the stingray - in fact my whole technique as probably grown around the ray and the sub so I'm probably not playing the P well. I don't know what Josquin used on the original but there's a big picture of a P bass on the cover.



I'm leaving this thread now as it's drifted largely into people wanting them - kind of the opposite to my situation. If I stay much longer someone's going to tell me the answer to all my problems is this original 1958 fender P with James Jameson's finger still trapped in the pickup cover after a drunken brawl with Berry Gordy that's being sold on ebay by a well known Chinese importer - and I've got no room to keep it in my house!!! I'll keep an eye on your votes though and I hope the rest of you have fun - only joking with the precision lovers - there's no doubting they're a thing of beauty :huh:

. Thanks again to the many helpful people who took time to respond - I've read, enjoyed and learned from them all - and I'm working my way through all the many recommendations. Please feel free to join me on the 'ngombe's sunday' thread on the recordings board if you want to carry on chatting about the P sound and getting anoraky about EQ n stuff.

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[quote name='acidbass' post='13742' date='Jun 7 2007, 06:56 PM']Lol, good luck getting one, I've made a few seperate enquiries to be told the same each time - "I no longer make basses to order, and have none in the production pipeline for at least 6 months"

Gutted[/quote]


Well I'm sure you know that my mate Jon Shuker will knock you one up if you ask him nicely ...

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I know this thread is coming to an end but I thought I might make a case for the MIA 62 reissue as being a possibility. Like a few here I was dissappointed to learn that Bravewood were not making basses anymore. However, as it was known that I was on the lookout for a 60s P I was speechless when I was presented with a 62 MIA reissue when I left my last employment. The bass is absolutely brilliant. I love it and will set my German Shepherd on anyone who tries to remove it from my cold dead hands.
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[quote name='paul, the' post='13737' date='Jun 7 2007, 06:49 PM'][/quote]

Y'see, I'm sure Bravewood guitars play fine'n'dandy, I seem to be the only person in the world that thinks their body relic-ing is terrible.

Do all their customers really ask for them to be relic'd as if they've done three sets a night for thirty years in a termite colony?

Just wonderin'.

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[quote name='wateroftyne' post='15431' date='Jun 11 2007, 09:19 AM']Y'see, I'm sure Bravewood guitars play fine'n'dandy, I seem to be the only person in the world that thinks their body relic-ing is terrible.

Do all their customers really ask for them to be relic'd as if they've done three sets a night for thirty years in a termite colony?

Just wonderin'.[/quote]

No - you're not the only one!
I've got to agree with you - his body relic-ing is absolutely awful...
I've owned & played a LOT of real vintage guitars & the bodies do NOT look like that after 40 years.
That said - a lot of the other stuff he does is really great - but not what he does to the bodies. Looks so obviously faked - very poor.

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Well, I've always found the bottom end of the neck too chunky -- I have silly stumpy little fingers, so a more Jazz-like neck suits me down to the ground. The only P-style bass I've ever enjoyed playing is Si Oldgit's gorgeous Shuker P-5... other than that, they simply aren't my cup of Lapsang. Still, horses for courses eh? Vive la difference! :)

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[quote name='99ster' post='15444' date='Jun 11 2007, 10:04 AM']No - you're not the only one!
I've got to agree with you - his body relic-ing is absolutely awful...
I've owned & played a LOT of real vintage guitars & the bodies do NOT look like that after 40 years.
That said - a lot of the other stuff he does is really great - but not what he does to the bodies. Looks so obviously faked - very poor.[/quote]

I do agree with the relic-ing thing. I wanted a 10/10 condition bass built. If any dings or dents are going to be put on it I want them to be my dings and dents. If a bass already has wear on it then that's accepted. I would never pay for wear to be added artificially. But everyone to their own I suppose.

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