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[quote name='krispn' post='1198368' date='Apr 13 2011, 04:22 PM']Lads

There is, by all accounts, a serious thing going on here and its getting swamped with nonsense.

It might seem more fair to the two parties involved if we keep the thread focused and not hijack it with random vid's etc. Im all for levity but also brevity.

Teacher has spoken :)[/quote]

I disagree, it goes one of two ways in this type of thread, levity or acrimony. I prefer the former. The plot of this particular transaction is way too deep and complex to enable anyone not directly involved to form a reliable opinion (unlike last night's in which both parties made their case in the first few posts and left the membership to debate the rights or wrongs). Apologies to the OP if he disagrees, but I doubt he posted expecting any resolution via this thread.

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....surely this is a job for Sherlock Ohms.....he is afterall, bit of a bright spark!

sorry, but all the those electrical jokes you guys are generating, you wore down my resistance to take this seriously, but this really is the best current thread


...I'll get my coat!

Hope this does get sorted, and it's a simple misunderstanding afterall

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[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1198486' date='Apr 13 2011, 06:10 PM']What I want to know is which Mod / Admin offed Bernmeister? Kiwi's in the clear, being in NZ. Mrs T can supply an alibi for Mythste on the night in question.

Ped's been keeping a low profile lately... :)[/quote]

That's if 'Bernmeister' every really existed. I suspect a Kaiser Soze style dual personality issue here....?

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[quote name='Johnston' post='1198518' date='Apr 13 2011, 06:40 PM']Whats this Bernmeister story??[/quote]

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1198247' date='Apr 13 2011, 03:08 PM']True, Chris. But Bernmeister also posted in that FS thread. And his post has disappeared from his posting history. And he's not been seen on the forum since March. I fear the worst.[/quote]

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[quote name='Johnston' post='1198221' date='Apr 13 2011, 02:41 PM']Can you delete your own thread or does a mod have to do it???[/quote]

OK - so I've kept quiet about this, and I'm not going to name any names, but I had something similar happen to me recently with someone deleting their own thread which had no replies.

I was offered something for a particular price so I thought I'd try to check out its value.

Couldn't find anything similar here so went to Google to see if there was one somewhere else.

Lo & behold the first Google listing that came up was for BC. How odd I thought, must have mis-typed the search in BC.

I hit the Google link and the thread had disappeared. Went back to Google and looked at the cached version - there was the very same item from the same seller being listed at exactly a quarter of the price he'd just tried to offer it to me at!

Needless to say I queried the price and walked away from the deal. Seller said original listing was a 'mistake. but we're talking a pretty big differential here and a completely deleted thread. . .


In fact while I'm on the subject, lol.

I bought an amp here a while back that had an intermittent hum. It didn't happen when I tested the amp but once it had been on for a while it kicked in really badly. Seller claimed it had never happened to him & I let it ride.

I then went searching a few specialist sites to see if i could find out what the problem would be. . .

Big surprise - I found a thread from the seller (using the same name as here) on another site explaining the amp had a problem and asking for help. The guys on that site said it sounded a bit nasty and might cost a bit to repair. The seller then openly requested in his thread that the mods delete the thread. They didn't so it was a clear record of what had happened.

I took the decision not to get involved in a big hassle and sold the amp to someone who was a decent tech who thought he could fix it himself. Luckily he did so it all worked out Ok. Just goes to show that the old Caveat Emptor ruling definitely applies here as much as anywhere else :)

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[quote name='molan' post='1198527' date='Apr 13 2011, 06:47 PM']OK - so I've kept quiet about this, and I'm not going to name any names, but I had something similar happen to me recently with someone deleting their own thread which had no replies.

I was offered something for a particular price so I thought I'd try to check out its value.

Couldn't find anything similar here so went to Google to see if there was one somewhere else.

Lo & behold the first Google listing that came up was for BC. How odd I thought, must have mis-typed the search in BC.

I hit the Google link and the thread had disappeared. Went back to Google and looked at the cached version - there was the very same item from the same seller being listed at exactly a quarter of the price he'd just tried to offer it to me at!

Needless to say I queried the price and walked away from the deal. Seller said original listing was a 'mistake. but we're talking a pretty big differential here and a completely deleted thread. . .


In fact while I'm on the subject, lol.

I bought an amp here a while back that had an intermittent hum. It didn't happen when I tested the amp but once it had been on for a while it kicked in really badly. Seller claimed it had never happened to him & I let it ride.

I then went searching a few specialist sites to see if i could find out what the problem would be. . .

Big surprise - I found a thread from the seller (using the same name as here) on another site explaining the amp had a problem and asking for help. The guys on that site said it sounded a bit nasty and might cost a bit to repair. The seller then openly requested in his thread that the mods delete the thread. They didn't so it was a clear record of what had happened.

I took the decision not to get involved in a big hassle and sold the amp to someone who was a decent tech who thought he could fix it himself. Luckily he did so it all worked out Ok. Just goes to show that the old Caveat Emptor ruling definitely applies here as much as anywhere else :)[/quote]

OK, I know it's a personal decision, but the latter case is what the feedback thread's for Barrie?

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[quote name='Beedster' post='1198528' date='Apr 13 2011, 06:50 PM']OK, I know it's a personal decision, but the latter case is what the feedback thread's for Barrie?[/quote]

Yeah I know - I just didn't want to get into a protracted row about it. With hindsight I should have said something as it might have warned others off.

I have to own up that a few months later the seller approached me to buy something I owned but hadn't actually put up for sale - I said he could have it for about £200 more than I paid for it (more than twice the price I'd paid) and he took it so I thought I'd kinda got my 'retribution' that way.

Not anything I'm particularly proud of though. . .

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[quote name='molan' post='1198577' date='Apr 13 2011, 07:22 PM']Yeah I know - I just didn't want to get into a protracted row about it. With hindsight I should have said something as it might have warned others off.

I have to own up that a few months later the seller approached me to buy something I owned but hadn't actually put up for sale - I said he could have it for about £200 more than I paid for it (more than twice the price I'd paid) and he took it so I thought I'd kinda got my 'retribution' that way.

Not anything I'm particularly proud of though. . .[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about it to much, sounds like Karma in action mate, and he was clearly happy with the deal :)

Re feedback, I think the forum's got so big now that feedback is really important, buying and selling on here's a different proposition to what it was even a year or so ago (you only have to check out the convoluted plot of the transaction at the core of this thread to realise that things aren't what they used to be!).

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Right guys i've just been reading this thread.

I'm an innocent bystander in all of this & i have no affilliation with either parties involved in this.

Although i did pm Geester with the possiblility with doing a deal with him regarding these amps, he
had already agreed a deal with Oldman. That is my only involvement.

I hope that it helps you & clears me.

But i too await to hear the outcome of this, because i may have been the person who had purchased these amps.

Cheers all.

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[quote name='skankdelvar' post='1198591' date='Apr 13 2011, 07:39 PM']Saints be praised! He's alive!

That's Ped off the hook for murder.[/quote]


There goes our blockbuster/mini-series/video game though Skank?

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[quote name='Beedster' post='1198615' date='Apr 13 2011, 07:57 PM']There goes our blockbuster/mini-series/video game though Skank?[/quote]
Not quite. I'm brokering a deal with my old pal Max Clifford for Bernmeister's 'My Dungeon Ordeal' story. We'll clear 10% on that.

Send your intern Carlo out for some "relaxants" and I'll call Bruckheimer.

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[quote name='Beedster' post='1198383' date='Apr 13 2011, 04:29 PM']I disagree, it goes one of two ways in this type of thread, levity or acrimony. I prefer the former. The plot of this particular transaction is way too deep and complex to enable anyone not directly involved to form a reliable opinion (unlike last night's in which both parties made their case in the first few posts and left the membership to debate the rights or wrongs). Apologies to the OP if he disagrees, but I doubt he posted expecting any resolution via this thread.[/quote]

Guys, your right Beedster, I did not post this thread expecting to resolve an issue that was not of my doing, all avenues had been exhausted. And as mentioned by another BC, a seperate thread already posted specifically to pre-empt a response from me about being shortchanged on a deal, especially after asking the Transformer question. I have told this as it is, should any moderator want me to forward the e-mail trail from Mike to me and back at my business e-mail address no problem. It was started as Caveat Emptor and thats what I wanted to do make everybody aware that dubious deals can still get thro the net.

OP?

Ask yourself a question guys, the casing says 120Volts, the manual says only connect the right mains voltage, the seller says its OK .......................would you?

I think I have said enough and all you guys irreverant or not have highlighted various aspects of this unfortunate case. Let it serve as a reminder "Its a jungle out there". Thanks for taking an interest I have achieved what I set out to do, bring it to the attention of the forum.

Brian

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[quote name='Oldman' post='1198669' date='Apr 13 2011, 08:38 PM']Guys, your right Beedster, I did not post this thread expecting to resolve an issue that was not of my doing, all avenues had been exhausted. And as mentioned by another BC, a seperate thread already posted specifically to pre-empt a response from me about being shortchanged on a deal, especially after asking the Transformer question. I have told this as it is, should any moderator want me to forward the e-mail trail from Mike to me and back at my business e-mail address no problem. It was started as Caveat Emptor and thats what I wanted to do make everybody aware that dubious deals can still get thro the net.

OP?

Ask yourself a question guys, the casing says 120Volts, the manual says only connect the right mains voltage, the seller says its OK .......................would you?

I think I have said enough and all you guys irreverant or not have highlighted various aspects of this unfortunate case. Let it serve as a reminder "Its a jungle out there". Thanks for taking an interest I have achieved what I set out to do, bring it to the attention of the forum.

Brian[/quote]

Thanks Brian

As I've said a few time above, we need threads like this to remind us how risky deals can be and how convoluted they can get. All I can say about the above 7 pages is that I hope you get things sorted out to your satisfaction, and that when you have, I hope you can explain it all to the rest of us!

Skank's people will be in touch re the film rights.

C

PS OP = original poster

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[quote name='Beedster' post='1198671' date='Apr 13 2011, 08:42 PM']Thanks Brian

As I've said a few time above, we need threads like this to remind us how risky deals can be and how convoluted they can get. All I can say about the above 7 pages is that I hope you get things sorted out to your satisfaction, and that when you have, I hope you can explain it all to the rest of us!

Skank's people will be in touch re the film rights.

C

PS OP = original poster[/quote]

Phew! I thought it was Old Pratt.

This will not be resolved until Mike refunds my money and I return the goods. He either does not have the money to refund or the balls to admit the deal was wrong at the outset or both.....................it won't happen.

Lets move on I've made the point.



Brian

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[quote name='Oldman' post='1198695' date='Apr 13 2011, 08:55 PM']That should read lets move on I have made the point.[/quote]
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is it worth getting a tech to confirm the "US voltage" amp can't work in both countries?

It seems strange to me that the seller offered to let people try it at his house in the original ad.

There might just be a possibility that you're both right.

Cheers

Mark

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