Send and Return

[deanbean502]

Right then been doing some playing around with my Ashdown little bastard recently and I have always used the send and return to rig up my effects.

Last night i tried it a different way and plugged my bass straight through my effects into my amp and it sounds awesome compared to the send and return jacks.

What i am asking is this a safe way to continue using my pedals or is it going to harm my little bastard?

[KiOgon]

[quote name='deanbean502' post='1227854' date='May 11 2011, 06:35 PM']Right then been doing some playing around with my Ashdown little bastard recently and I have always used the send and return to rig up my effects.

Last night i tried it a different way and plugged my bass straight through my effects into my amp and it sounds awesome compared to the send and return jacks.

What i am asking is this a safe way to continue using my pedals or is it going to harm my little bastard?[/quote]
FX in line with bass won't be a problem but I can't see why/how the send & return make any difference to your sound? I've used both ways with mine & never noticed any difference

[icastle]

No problem at all.
I actually use both methods at the same time!

[deanbean502]

[quote name='KiOgon' post='1227860' date='May 11 2011, 06:39 PM']FX in line with bass won't be a problem but I can't see why/how the send & return make any difference to your sound? I've used both ways with mine & never noticed any difference [/quote]

Definitely does sound different a lot more meaty.

I have kept all the settings the same and tried it both ways.

[Stag]

I also found the same thing! Discussed the matter with Dood and a general consensus was reached that msot people dont bother with the loop...

[icastle]

[quote name='Stag' post='1227915' date='May 11 2011, 07:29 PM']I also found the same thing! Discussed the matter with Dood and a general consensus was reached that msot people dont bother with the loop...[/quote]

Well, they're handy if you have a rack mounted effects unit in the same rack as the amp...

[Ian Savage]

It depends on the type of effect and how you want it to affect the sound whether you run into the front end or put it in the loop; as a general rule gain-based effects like distortion and wah work best going into the front, EQ depends on what you want to do with it and time-based stuff (chorus, delay, flange etc) tend to work best in the loop (or at least after your drive effects).

Compression's a weird one, as if you're looking to smooth out the dynamics of your playing before it hits your amp and get an overall 'smoother' sound you need to run it into the front end of the amp, whereas if you're using it as speaker protection it could do with being in the loop.

Then there's the issue of what order to use the effects in which is a whole other can of worms you're highly unlikely to damage anything whatever you do though, so experiment away!

[deanbean502]

[quote name='Ian Savage' post='1227990' date='May 11 2011, 08:26 PM']It depends on the type of effect and how you want it to affect the sound whether you run into the front end or put it in the loop; as a general rule gain-based effects like distortion and wah work best going into the front, EQ depends on what you want to do with it and time-based stuff (chorus, delay, flange etc) tend to work best in the loop (or at least after your drive effects).

Compression's a weird one, as if you're looking to smooth out the dynamics of your playing before it hits your amp and get an overall 'smoother' sound you need to run it into the front end of the amp, whereas if you're using it as speaker protection it could do with being in the loop.

Then there's the issue of what order to use the effects in which is a whole other can of worms you're highly unlikely to damage anything whatever you do though, so experiment away![/quote]

Yep that makes perfect sense, thanks for all the replies guys

[stingrayPete1977]

I thought this "Send and Return " thread was going to be another one of Musicman20's disasters

[umph]

it depends what impedance the effects wanna see and most pedals are gonna be most happy when driven by a high impedance source

[Bankai]

Effects loops are designed to run at a different signal level. They are more for things like rack compressors or similar.

Effects pedals are designed to run at guitar level/impedance, pre-preamp.

[Ghost_Bass]

i use my fx between my bass and amp so i can get my DI signal pre-EQ without loosing the fx.

[algmusic]

[quote name='Bankai' post='1228379' date='May 12 2011, 07:32 AM']Effects loops are designed to run at a different signal level. They are more for things like rack compressors or similar.

Effects pedals are designed to run at guitar level/impedance, pre-preamp.[/quote]


So that really means that rack effects are for the effects loop and pedals effects are for bass socket