alexclaber Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 [url="http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm"]http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/re...ain_display.htm[/url] [url="http://www.hometracked.com/2006/12/07/instrument-frequency-map/"]http://www.hometracked.com/2006/12/07/inst...-frequency-map/[/url] Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Very interesting, cheers for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 so the harmonics for guitar and bass peter out at about the same freq- around 5k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machines Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 That's fantastic, cheers dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted February 22, 2008 Author Share Posted February 22, 2008 [quote name='SJA' post='145063' date='Feb 22 2008, 02:10 PM']so the harmonics for guitar and bass peter out at about the same freq- around 5k?[/quote] Guitar amps have fairly limited bandwidth, restricted to ~200-5000Hz due to the nature of a single speaker in an small sealed or open back cab. DI'd bass guitar can go higher than 5kHz but there's not really any harmonic content above there. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Bookmarked. Cheers for that, will probably come in handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Ha, I was expecting one of those dot maps that showed the concentrations of instruments in the world., like a follow up to the how many basses do we own thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakenewmanbass Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 a fascinating thing cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ednaplate Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' post='145313' date='Feb 22 2008, 08:43 PM']Ha, I was expecting one of those dot maps that showed the concentrations of instruments in the world., like a follow up to the how many basses do we own thread.[/quote] So was I. Doh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Nice one Alex! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 Pipe Organs Rule!!! Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfoxnik Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 [quote name='jakesbass' post='145331' date='Feb 22 2008, 09:16 PM']a fascinating thing cheers[/quote] +1 Captain! [attachment=5909:spock2.jpg] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chardbass Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Can this be stickied in the Recording forum? Immediately bookmarked. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 That is a fabulous piece of work. Thanks Alex. Just to confirm, do the descriptions 'guitar' and 'bass' in that chart apply equally to acoustic and to electric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantdosleepy Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Awesome! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bremen Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 [quote name='Happy Jack' post='146336' date='Feb 25 2008, 08:14 AM']That is a fabulous piece of work. Thanks Alex. Just to confirm, do the descriptions 'guitar' and 'bass' in that chart apply equally to acoustic and to electric?[/quote] I'd have thought electric guitar harmonics go higher than an acoustic...but then again the 12" speakers that most guitarists use would limit anything above 5-6kHz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 (edited) [quote name='SJA' post='145063' date='Feb 22 2008, 02:10 PM']so the harmonics for guitar and bass peter out at about the same freq- around 5k?[/quote] And [quote name='Happy Jack' post='146336' date='Feb 25 2008, 08:14 AM']That is a fabulous piece of work. Thanks Alex. Just to confirm, do the descriptions 'guitar' and 'bass' in that chart apply equally to acoustic and to electric?[/quote] I think we should be careful here. Going by the rest of the instruments listed I would have assumed that they are talking double bass and classical guitar, and Im pretty sure that the harmonic content of these would be quite different to a bass and electric guitars. Clive Edited February 25, 2008 by Clive Thorne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted February 25, 2008 Author Share Posted February 25, 2008 [quote name='bremen' post='146488' date='Feb 25 2008, 12:11 PM']I'd have thought electric guitar harmonics go higher than an acoustic...but then again the 12" speakers that most guitarists use would limit anything above 5-6kHz.[/quote] Exactly - amp colouration is part of 99.99% of guitar sounds. [quote name='Clive Thorne' post='146561' date='Feb 25 2008, 01:25 PM']I think we should be careful here. Going by the rest of the instruments listed I would have assumed that they are talking double bass and classical guitar, and Im pretty sure that the harmonic content of these would be quite different to a bass and electric guitars.[/quote] Except in the instrument data window they have a photo of an electric bass guitar and an electric guitar respectively and they do refer to the difference in acoustic and electric guitar sounds. Also in a purely acoustic setting there is very little sub 100Hz output from any double bass, the body is far too small to have much output down in the low fundamentals. It would be really interesting to see some analysis of how different mixes are divided amongst the various instruments in a band - it's a very complex issue with a lot of masking going on but it would nicely demonstrate how the different sounds slot around each other. When mixing our last EP I found that subtle cuts and boosts of only a dB or so could open up space for each instrument to be heard better, a great example being rolling ~10kHz and up off on the guitar made the cymbals sound brighter and clearer. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 [quote name='alexclaber' post='146653' date='Feb 25 2008, 03:30 PM']Except in the instrument data window they have a photo of an electric bass guitar and an electric guitar, Alex[/quote] Ah, I stand corrected - I didn't even notice that panel on the right hand side, just went on the fact that the all the other instruments tended to be orchestral in nature. That'll teach me to read it all before commenting. Clive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umph Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 [quote name='Sibob' post='146085' date='Feb 24 2008, 05:15 PM']Pipe Organs Rule!!! Si[/quote] i may make one just for the purpose of annihalating peoples bowels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Great post Alex! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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