Ou7shined Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='1260839' date='Jun 8 2011, 10:11 AM']Tried it. I rewired Neepheid's L-2000 trib for him to see if we could open up the possibilities and get a 'ray-esque tone... couldn't - the physical differences are just too vast, let alone not having the correct eq. [b]Not long after that I realised that the only way to get a 'ray tone (even as a reference tone) is with a 'ray.... or a SUB...[/b][/quote] Forgot to mention the Pingray again. Third option obviously is to build what you want using MM parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='Prime_BASS' post='1260957' date='Jun 8 2011, 11:18 AM']I agree. [b]If you get it right people will notice.[/b] It's just that making small advances in sound require big expensive steps.....[/quote] I think so too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry norton Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'd have to go with general opinion and say get some work, save some extra cash and go for the proper Ray. Every bass player should own a Stingray at some time during their life. (EB, Pre EB, 4 or 5, doesn't matter). It's a rite of passage we should all take Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pow_22 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 off on a completely different slant here but Retrovibe RV4? Very comfy body, lightweight and very thin, precision feel neck with two bloody whackin MM style humbuckers in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munkonthehill Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='1260887' date='Jun 8 2011, 10:41 AM']Could have saved myself a post if I'd seen this. Second part : I suspect you've been listening to your tutor (or someone else banging on about your technique) too much Matt. This new negative thing about what Johnny Punter thinks (or not) about your tone is pish. The assumption that no one listening to you is a bass or indeed a music fan is bad - ok the percentage won't be high but there will be some punters out there who can tell a good sound when they hear it... do it for them/us. Also there's the science bit (which I'm sure is what you got off on to start with) it's not just about "upgrading" it's about exploring the possibilities and learning the limits of your instrument. Like you did with your Les Paul - in your quest for excellence you've modded it out of it's own price bracket but you did it, it was fun and you learned stuff. Cheer up bud. [/sermon] btw - I've turned many an apple into, not an orange but a peach. [/quote] Amen brother. No doubt brother Matt will find his way back from the darkness and return to the search of tone and gas;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='1260887' date='Jun 8 2011, 10:41 AM']Could have saved myself a post if I'd seen this. Second part : I suspect you've been listening to your tutor (or someone else banging on about your technique) too much Matt. This new negative thing about what Johnny Punter thinks (or not) about your tone is pish. The assumption that no one listening to you is a bass or indeed a music fan is bad - ok the percentage won't be high but there will be some punters out there who can tell a good sound when they hear it... do it for them/us. Also there's the science bit (which I'm sure is what you got off on to start with) it's not just about "upgrading" it's about exploring the possibilities and learning the limits of your instrument. Like you did with your Les Paul - in your quest for excellence you've modded it out of it's own price bracket but you did it, it was fun and you learned stuff. Cheer up bud. [/sermon] btw - I've turned many an apple into, not an orange but a peach. [/quote] Was the fruitless pun really that bad? Perhaps my irritation at the first part spilled over into the second bit, but I will say that I'm definitely feeling a shift away from modding and piddling around and more time spent actually playing the bass. You are right that efforts should continue to be made to make sure one sounds as good as one can given the usual constraints of house backline and not being in control of your FOH sound. GIGO is as applicable to the sound source as the player after all. I still think that I have spent more time in my formative bass years piddling around with pickups, preamps and wires than actually playing the damn basses, and I think that balance needs to be restored by not putting basses under drill presses for a while The trend is away from modded basses in my collection also - once the Les Paul goes, the L-2000 will be the only modded bass I have, and that mod is as subtle as it is reversible and optional - as an elegant mod should be, of course. Of course, the house of "under-appreciated basses from the 70s and 80s" will continue to expand Where's that El Toro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2112 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 One of those Sandbergs would seen an ideal compromise, Precision shape neck and body with a humbucker at the bridge for big Stingray sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='BB3000S' post='1260793' date='Jun 8 2011, 09:44 AM']Get this ^^^ Amazing price, great looks, and nothing will do the Stingray sound as good as a Stingray - simple as that.[/quote] +1 is this the smoke one with a chip in it? If it is it looks ace other than the chip, either add to the damage over the years or get it repaired when funds allow at a later date, that colour is amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='henry norton' post='1261058' date='Jun 8 2011, 12:18 PM']I'd have to go with general opinion and say get some work, save some extra cash and go for the proper Ray. Every bass player should own a Stingray at some time during their life. (EB, Pre EB, 4 or 5, doesn't matter). It's a rite of passage we should all take [/quote] Or copy me and buy them all! My passage has been well and truly taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I'm not sure how to take that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 [quote name='Prime_BASS' post='1262210' date='Jun 9 2011, 02:13 AM']I'm not sure how to take that[/quote] Slowly and as delicate as possible I'd say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solo4652 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 (edited) Just a thought: What about an Ibanez ATK 400? P-width neck and nicely contoured body. With the pup switching options you can get a good P sound right the way through to a[i] very[/i] zingy tone. Cheaper to buy than a Stingray too. Here's mine. It's not that easy to see the bridge pup from the photo, but it is there: [attachment=82171:005.JPG] If anybody wants have a go on it, you're welcome to come round any time. You'll be able to compare it with my Fender P and my G&L L2000. Or you could buy that 'ray for £600 - bargain. Edited June 9, 2011 by solo4652 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB3000S Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 [quote name='Chris2112' post='1261367' date='Jun 8 2011, 04:57 PM']One of those Sandbergs would seen an ideal compromise, Precision shape neck and body with a humbucker at the bridge for big Stingray sounds.[/quote] They would seem that way, but the humbucker on both their P- and J-model is much to close to the bridge for even getting near a Stingray sound (just like on Laklands btw). In addition the magnets are ceramics and the humbucker is wired in series. I had a JM4 wehere I added a 3-way switch to give me series - single coil - parallell, and in parallell it got a little bit closer but still way off the real deal. More like a fat bridge J-pickup. Awesome bass in it's own right though: Not to beat a dead horse (or hey why not), but only a Stingray will do the Stingray thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ou7shined Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 [quote name='neepheid' post='1261302' date='Jun 8 2011, 03:10 PM']..I still think that I have spent more time in my formative bass years piddling around with pickups, preamps and wires than actually playing the damn basses, and I think that balance needs to be restored by not putting basses under drill presses for a while [/quote] Yeah you probably did jump the gun a bit, so what. That was only because you are facinated by the physicality of the instrument - the woods, the electrodynamics and how they interact and can be manipulated to produce different tones, dynamics etc. The end result is that you now have a greater inner knowledge of "the bass" than most learners/intermediates, you can do a decent set up and you are awash with "bass facts". All that's left for you is to figure out the musical side of the equation. By all means work on the fingers, keep up the lessons (I wish I'd had that opportunity back in the '80s and '90s) but also develop an ear for bass... and right up there with listening, is recognising the nuances of tone (not just the notes) and how you alter them with your different playing styles, and (relevant to this conversation) how that can be assisted by physically changing the instrument itself to help you get closer to the sound that represents you or the style of music you play. [quote name='neepheid' post='1261302' date='Jun 8 2011, 03:10 PM']..The trend is away from modded basses in my collection also - once the Les Paul goes, the L-2000 will be the only modded bass I have, and that mod is as subtle as it is reversible and optional - as an elegant mod should be, of course. Of course, the house of "under-appreciated basses from the 70s and 80s" will continue to expand Where's that El Toro?[/quote] Nah man there's lots of love for the El Torro .... your collection needs an L-1500 that's the only Marmite bass G&L ever did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 [quote name='Ou7shined' post='1262641' date='Jun 9 2011, 01:26 PM']Yeah you probably did jump the gun a bit, so what. That was only because you are facinated by the physicality of the instrument - the woods, the electrodynamics and how they interact and can be manipulated to produce different tones, dynamics etc. The end result is that you now have a greater inner knowledge of "the bass" than most learners/intermediates, you can do a decent set up and you are awash with "bass facts". All that's left for you is to figure out the musical side of the equation. By all means work on the fingers, keep up the lessons (I wish I'd had that opportunity back in the '80s and '90s) but also develop an ear for bass... and right up there with listening, is recognising the nuances of tone (not just the notes) and how you alter them with your different playing styles, and (relevant to this conversation) how that can be assisted by physically changing the instrument itself to help you get closer to the sound that represents you or the style of music you play. Nah man there's lots of love for the El Torro .... your collection needs an L-1500 that's the only Marmite bass G&L ever did. [/quote] Under the sheer weight of numbers one could argue that all G&Ls are under-appreciated Marmite bass? Try the Interceptor! Looks only a mother could love - imho of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bass Doc Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Is this what the OP had in mind? (Apologies for the colour scheme). [attachment=82461:p_ray_001.JPG] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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