mcnach Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1305000' date='Jul 15 2011, 07:02 PM']For The Win Jose [/quote] Aaaah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machines Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Ok checked both out - neither sound like one to me ! I think solo tracks are required with a few more playing dynamics prevalent. How are the EQ's set ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Fat Rich' post='1304855' date='Jul 15 2011, 04:31 PM']I've a feeling it's the 2nd clip but there's an element of guesswork as neither clip sounds like my 'Ray [/quote] +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomBassmonkey Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 But if I put up solo tracks you'll be able to hear all my mistakes. I'll do it when I get home, downside to GarageBand is it saves in mp4 which the forum doesn't accept so I need to convert it on a PC first. The EQs are the same for both on the modelling (only thing changed on the recording between them was the volume of the bass part), the mid was knocked down a bit on the Sandberg's pre because it was obviously far louder, otherwise the EQs are flat on both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Mylkinut' post='1305017' date='Jul 15 2011, 07:16 PM'] We're going to look pretty stupid if it's number 1 [/quote] It could be a double bluff with an intentional bit of clank here and there, That's going to be my excuse anyway It could be early enough to be an Alnico one but as it's in neck position I'm calling the test null and void Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obbm Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1305064' date='Jul 15 2011, 07:46 PM']It could be early enough to be an Alnico one but as it's in neck position I'm calling the test null and void [/quote] As far as I am aware the switch from Alnico to Ceramic was done in 1991 at the same time as the phantom coil was introduced. If this is a 1993 then it's Ceramic. I suppose we need the serial number to verfiy which it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) Well, only the post 2008 HS models, and the pre 2008 single H H/S models have the option for a single coil IIRC. This is the single coil if its a Ray. None of them sound like a MM H. Edited July 15, 2011 by Musicman20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I am chuckling a little at the discussion about what the pickup might be,and how it needs to heard soloed etc.....I suppose it saves face a little more than just saying that you can't actually tell which bass is which. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Musicman20' post='1305077' date='Jul 15 2011, 07:55 PM']Well, only the post 2008 HS models, and the pre 2008 single H H/S models have the option for a single coil IIRC. This is definitely the single coil (switch towards neck) if its a Ray.[/quote] If it's the same controls as the sterlings back in the early nineties then the middle position on the 3 way gives you single coil(the bridge coil) as I believe it anyway. If it is indeed the ceramic pup in the series position (3-way pointing at neck) then I will guess 1 as it has a low mid boost, and since you cut the kids back on the sandberg the 2nd definatly has a slight mid cut. A straight forward alnico equipped SR4 with 2 or even 3 band EQ flat against another brands impression would make the exercise a lot easyier. Personally I wouldn't call the SR5 a true ray, not even the newer ones with the alnico pups due to the 3 way. The best SR4's plus another string are the classic SR5s, alnico, same preamp, no other gubbins in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Well if it's a ceramic model in single coil mode Paul its worth pointing out, Although it does make me wonder why mm bother with the switch, I never really use mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Prime_BASS' post='1305090' date='Jul 15 2011, 08:04 PM']If it's the same controls as the sterlings back in the early nineties then the middle position on the 3 way gives you single coil(the bridge coil) as I believe it anyway. If it is indeed the ceramic pup in the series position (3-way pointing at neck) then I will guess 1 as it has a low mid boost, and since you cut the kids back on the sandberg the 2nd definatly has a slight mid cut. A straight forward alnico equipped SR4 with 2 or even 3 band EQ flat against another brands impression would make the exercise a lot easyier. Personally I wouldn't call the SR5 a true ray, not even the newer ones with the alnico pups due to the 3 way. The best SR4's plus another string are the classic SR5s, alnico, same preamp, no other gubbins in the way.[/quote] Rear position on mine is [b]exactly[/b] the same as my 2002 SR4, Alnico & SR 3band EQ Neck is single coil or phantom on new ones, middle is series & rear is parallel afaik? Edited July 15, 2011 by stingrayPete1977 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsfreddy2003 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Agree that neither sounds very 'Ray'ish but my vote is for 1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomBassmonkey Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Doddy' post='1305083' date='Jul 15 2011, 07:59 PM']I am chuckling a little at the discussion about what the pickup might be,and how it needs to heard soloed etc.....I suppose it saves face a little more than just saying that you can't actually tell which bass is which. [/quote] If only a Stingray sounds like a Stingray, is it possible a Stingray doesn't sound like a Stingray too? On Sunday once I've put up the reply, I'll do another version with the pickup on the ''proper'' setting, though it won't be so much of a test because people will know, more for observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB3000S Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 The complete saying should go "only an AlNiCo Stingray in parallell sounds like a Stingray". (No offence to ceramic SR5's...) Anyway, my vote goes to no2 for the Stingray5, great idea and it'd be great with more clips. Good fun! Out of interest, is the Sandberg bridge PU spot on in the SR position? Being an HH i suppose it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 All of which goes to show that basses sound like basses sound like basses. I can't even tell the difference between my no-name P-copy and my Peev 5 if I don't use the B string. So if you lot can't tell, no-one in an audience ever would. Basses, see, they sound like basses! And I'm stickin' to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KERMITNT Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 we need the real stingray tone not the stingray 5 one and not to be missunderstand if i have to choose of a stingray tone i will choose neither of the 2 so i am confused yes so i dont vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Prime_BASS' post='1305090' date='Jul 15 2011, 08:04 PM']If it's the same controls as the sterlings back in the early nineties then the middle position on the 3 way gives you single coil(the bridge coil) as I believe it anyway. If it is indeed the ceramic pup in the series position (3-way pointing at neck) then I will guess 1 as it has a low mid boost, and since you cut the kids back on the sandberg the 2nd definatly has a slight mid cut. A straight forward alnico equipped SR4 with 2 or even 3 band EQ flat against another brands impression would make the exercise a lot easyier. Personally I wouldn't call the SR5 a true ray, not even the newer ones with the alnico pups due to the 3 way. The best SR4's plus another string are the classic SR5s, alnico, same preamp, no other gubbins in the way.[/quote] You are correct re: the switch. The Ray 5 is a Ray though, especially now they are alnico. The 2 band vs 3 band is subjective. I like both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Musicman20' post='1305224' date='Jul 15 2011, 09:45 PM']You are correct re: the switch. The Ray 5 is a Ray though, especially now they are alnico. The 2 band vs 3 band is subjective. I like both.[/quote] +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikanHannille Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Sounds very similar, but I'd go with 2 because of that "clicky" sound I can hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibrating G String Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Doddy' post='1305083' date='Jul 15 2011, 11:59 AM']I am chuckling a little at the discussion about what the pickup might be,and how it needs to heard soloed etc.....I suppose it saves face a little more than just saying that you can't actually tell which bass is which. [/quote] My thoughts too. All the questions asking for hints about things that we are supposed to be able to hear Experts that haven't offered a guess will likely be confirming they knew all along once the answers are posted if this test follows the usual patterns. The questions are proving the point more than the test is. I would get rid of the amp modeling as that makes it no longer sound normal. I don't hear Stingray in either clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba_the_gut Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I'd say #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) I have a 78 Ray, and [b]that[/b] does sound like a Ray..... Which ever clip is supposed to sound like the Ray, it still sounds like a fraud. Another one here for 'get rid of the Amp modeling' A Stingray always sounds at its nastiest and best when just DI. What a great thread for nonsense all round. Carry on chaps. Garry Edited July 15, 2011 by lowdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='Vibrating G String' post='1305308' date='Jul 15 2011, 10:54 PM']I don't hear Stingray in either clip.[/quote] Thats because ones a Sandberg and the others practically a P bass with half a musicman pickup wired as a single coil If think the OP should not tell us until the clips have been re done to a fresh track with the bass in MM mode even then its possibly ceramic rather than Alnico so It might not have the full MM sound we are listening for, Im still going with the clank on 2 but I have no idea what a ceramic single coil is meant to sound like, Thats probably why so many say number 1 because in truth the Sandy is nearer what most class as the real thing againt the ceramic single coil? Do you really think people commenting on the difference between a single coil ceramic pickup and an Alnico Humbucker is unfair? I dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 [quote name='lowdown' post='1305330' date='Jul 15 2011, 11:16 PM']I have a 78 Ray, and that does sound like a Ray..... Which ever clip is the Ray, it still sounds like a fraud. Another one here for 'get rid of the Amp modeling' A Stingray always sounds at its nastiest and best when just DI. [b]What a great thread for nonsense all round. [/b]Carry on chaps. Garry[/quote] Indeed and why not Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 (edited) [quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='1305332' date='Jul 15 2011, 11:17 PM']Indeed and why not Garry [/quote] Of course Pete, and i have just had a visit over to the MM serial number site, just to carry on with my own nonsense.. Just staring at serial numbers - lovely. Garry Edited July 15, 2011 by lowdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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