Faithless Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 (edited) Hey fellas, I've just got gig that's gonna happen in relatively large venues (monitoring and PA is gonna be there though),so I desperately need a cab to hook along with my Shuttle 3/10T combo to get more 'air' from the amp. I was thinking about the extension cab that GB offers to add for this combo: [url="http://www.bassmerchant.com/item_detail.php?product_id=436"]http://www.bassmerchant.com/item_detail.php?product_id=436[/url] Any experiences about this - 2x10 cabs + Shuttle 3? Problem is that Shuttle 3 doesnt 'handle' larger GB cabs,but I think 2x10 should be enough, what do you think? All opinions welcome, if you have any other brands to offer though, it still must be really lightweight... Laimis Edited July 21, 2011 by Faithless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Get the matching 1x10...and use the monitors/PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 but, man, new ext cab is a bit too expensive - 420 pounds + shipping to Lithuania.. I got whole (used) Shuttle [i]combo [/i]for 450 pounds, I think.. Maybe the 'regular' cab of this combo would do the trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='Faithless' post='1311734' date='Jul 21 2011, 04:42 PM']... Problem is that Shuttle 3 doesnt 'handle' larger GB cabs,but I think 2x10 should be enough, what do you think? ...[/quote] What do you mean by "handle"? It looks to me as if you could run the 10" cab that comes with your combo in parallel with another, larger cab (e.g. a 15", or a 2x10"). I certainly often run my Shuttle 3 with a 12" and a 15" (neither GB cabs, but both 8ohm). Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 I thought those 210 and 212 GB cabs are designed to run with Shuttle 6 to get the most out of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='Faithless' post='1311766' date='Jul 21 2011, 05:03 PM']I thought those 210 and 212 GB cabs are designed to run with Shuttle 6 to get the most out of them?[/quote] Yeah, maybe that's what they are designed for, but you don't have a 6, do you? Turning it around, I'm sure a 2x10 will get more out of your Shuttle 3 than a 1x10 will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I've used various cabs as an extension to my 3.0-10T combo. the GB Extension cab does rock though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='mart' post='1311761' date='Jul 21 2011, 05:01 PM']What do you mean by "handle"? It looks to me as if you could run the 10" cab that comes with your combo in parallel with another, larger cab (e.g. a 15", or a 2x10"). I certainly often run my Shuttle 3 with a 12" and a 15" (neither GB cabs, but both 8ohm). Am I missing something?[/quote] Presume you mean that the Shuttle 3 puts out less power than some bigger cabs can handle? Not the end of the earth, as it'll still put out quite a bit! Or is it that it wouldn't be able to handle a 4 ohm cab (like many 2x10 or 2x12 cabs) in addition to the combo's 10" speaker? If that's the case, then yes, but you could always plug the head directly into the bigger cab, and not use the 10" - in which case you might as well remove the head from the combo and take just the head & the bigger cab with you. Just because you've got the existing 10" combo cab doesn't mean you've got to use it! And, if you've got PA support, are you *sure* that you need more than the existing combo? While I don't have the shuttle combo (as the Shuttle heads weren't for me) I do like the Genz cabs - I've got a couple of TC RH450 heads and a NEOX 212T cab for proper gigger and a STL-10T cab for practise & small stuff where I want to save space/weight. I have gigged with just the STL-10T cab, both by itself in small venues & with PA support in bigger venues. You've got all sorts of options. You could get the second STL-10T, which would give you another diddly cab & an incremental power gain. You could step up & get a STL-12T, which should give you quite a bit more poke & would give you three cab options (i.e, you could go out with just 1 x 10" , or with 1 x 12" for slightly bigger gigs, or with both for bigger still). Or you could get a bigger 2x10" or 2x12" to use by itself with your head (trust me, with one of those you won't need any more from your existing 1x10" cab - my NEOX 212T is capable of *huge* levels!) I have to say that the smaller cab is only *just* enough for the bigger venues & will depend on what levels you're playing at, but don't discount it for the portability benefits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 Thanx for response,Alec. Yeah,I dig the portability opt of two separate 10' cabs, problem is that there's no available STL combos in the sale section at the moment.. Ill see if I can get on with existing combo, but there's a chance Ill need extension because of a loud drummer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 21, 2011 Author Share Posted July 21, 2011 Oh, there's a chance to take TC Electronic RS210 [b]or [/b]112 cheaply enough from my local shop,but are they gonna work ok with Shuttle 3? (i'm total noob on those 'ohms' issues) And, are those TC cabs being taken as 'lightweight'? I lifted them in shop, and they were way too heavy for my 'lightweight' understanding.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='Faithless' post='1311885' date='Jul 21 2011, 06:49 PM']Oh, there's a chance to take TC Electronic RS210 [b]or [/b]112 cheaply enough from my local shop,but are they gonna work ok with Shuttle 3? (i'm total noob on those 'ohms' issues) And, are those TC cabs being taken as 'lightweight'? I lifted them in shop, and they were way too heavy for my 'lightweight' understanding..[/quote] They arent neo but the RS210 is a good weight especially for the size/cost/etc. The RS112 is about the same weight as most normal neo 1x12s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='Faithless' post='1311885' date='Jul 21 2011, 06:49 PM']Oh, there's a chance to take TC Electronic RS210 [b]or [/b]112 cheaply enough from my local shop,but are they gonna work ok with Shuttle 3? (i'm total noob on those 'ohms' issues) And, are those TC cabs being taken as 'lightweight'? I lifted them in shop, and they were way too heavy for my 'lightweight' understanding..[/quote] I think those TC cabs should be ok - ask the shop if they're 8ohm cabs. (The TC website has tech specs, but doesn't seem to mention the impedance or maybe I'm just not seeing it). As long as they're 8ohm, then you can use one of them, or one in parallel with your 10" GB cab. There's lightweight, and there's lightweight. Those TC cabs are light compared to many, but the Shuttle cabs are featherweight - you won't find many cabs that light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 All the TC cabs are 8 ohms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 [quote name='mart' post='1312077' date='Jul 21 2011, 09:26 PM']I think those TC cabs should be ok - ask the shop if they're 8ohm cabs. (The TC website has tech specs, but doesn't seem to mention the impedance or maybe I'm just not seeing it). As long as they're 8ohm, then you can use one of them, or one in parallel with your 10" GB cab.[/quote] As with the others, the TC 2x12 & 2x10 cabs are both 8 ohm, so can be used in parallel with your existing 10" cab. That said, I suspect you'd end up using either one or the other, rather than both. Doubt the 10" would add much to the TC dual cabinet, other than being a top end driver nearer to your ear thanks to the height. [quote name='mart' post='1312077' date='Jul 21 2011, 09:26 PM']There's lightweight, and there's lightweight. Those TC cabs are light compared to many, but the Shuttle cabs are featherweight - you won't find many cabs that light.[/quote] Agreed, the STL-10T is stupidly light. When I take it out & about, it's that in one hand, my bass in the other, and the TC RH450 in a laptop bag over my shoulder. Counter to all previous experience, the cab is the lightest of the three, wiht the bass being the heaviest! Who'd have thought that, years ago...! I debated long & hard which cab to get, after my NEOX 212T. In the end, decided it made sense to go for the smallest/lightest, rather than having two cabs which were too close together in size/weight. And I've generally been very happy with the combination - I really *love* the STL-10T's weight, with it's pretty neat sound. That said, it simply can't compete with the NEOX 212T for depth & volume, but they're ergonomically chalk & cheese. The only other option might have been a pair of 12" cabs which I could have used together or separattely - but they's still be heavier than my neat 10" solution, and the NEOX 212T is hardly a tough schlep, with its light weight & rear wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 TC RS210 would be too much, I think, and not that portable. The 112 version is still too heavy and too bulky(why they made him like that??) for my liking.. Let's leave those as extra options. What pisses me off, is that I could hardly 'tilt-up' (or is that function called 'tilt-back'?.. Genz cab has that) two separate cabs,put one on each other, without upper cab falling off. Is there any solution to that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 [quote name='Faithless' post='1312571' date='Jul 22 2011, 11:57 AM']... What pisses me off, is that I could hardly 'tilt-up' (or is that function called 'tilt-back'?.. Genz cab has that) two separate cabs,put one on each other, without upper cab falling off. Is there any solution to that?[/quote] Tricky, but I'd suggest you put both cabs, one on top of the other, on top of a crate or something, so that they are both nearer to head height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 26, 2011 Author Share Posted July 26, 2011 (edited) Hmmm, just spotted a relatively cheapish Ibanez Promethean 1x10 cab, which is lightweight enough (9kgs/20lbs) - the only thing I can't find about this cab is impendance - if it is 8ohm cab - does anyone know about them? It should do the job, I think, and I wouldnt end up spending shitload of money on extension cab. The second nearest option would be a new TC Electronic RS112 cab (I'd get it for 300 pounds) - it would give me more 'air', than a 10" cab, but, as I've said, it's stupidly big and quite heavy... What do you guys think? easy Laimis Edited July 26, 2011 by Faithless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='Faithless' post='1317811' date='Jul 26 2011, 11:47 PM']Hmmm, just spotted a relatively cheapish Ibanez Promethean 1x10 cab, which is lightweight enough (9kgs/20lbs) - the only thing I can't find about this cab is impendance - if it is 8ohm cab - does anyone know about them? It should do the job, I think, and I wouldnt end up spending shitload of money on extension cab. The second nearest option would be a new TC Electronic RS112 cab (I'd get it for 300 pounds) - it would give me more 'air', than a 10" cab, but, as I've said, it's stupidly big and quite heavy... What do you guys think? easy Laimis[/quote] According to the manual that you can download from the Ibanez webpage, the speaker impedance is 8ohm. That cab is incredibly cheap, and Prometheans get good reviews on here, although I've never tried one myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 Eh, TC still is the first option, because seller refused to ship Promethean cab.. I'll go to the shop today to try RS112, and try persuade myself I can 'sarcrifice' hard portability and heavy weight for 12" speaker and TC value.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 [quote name='Faithless' post='1317943' date='Jul 27 2011, 09:10 AM']Eh, TC still is the first option, because seller refused to ship Promethean cab.. I'll go to the shop today to try RS112, and try persuade myself I can 'sarcrifice' hard portability and heavy weight for 12" speaker and TC value.. [/quote] Can't make up my mind about the RS112. Regardless of how it sounds, and I've not heard it, it's just an "odd" form factor. In fact, its dimensions are little different from most compact 12" cabs, the odd bit is that it goes for depth over width. This might give you problems in small spaces, as it may project out from the back wall too far - especially as its rear ported, and so needs some additional space at the back to breathe. As for weight, you're not going to get much better than 14kg for a decent 12" cab! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 27, 2011 Author Share Posted July 27, 2011 Just got back from the shop - had a blast checking out RS112 paired with my Genz Benz combo - it added so much 'air', it's just ridiculous. As for weight, for 12" cab it didn't seem too bad, but size still bothers me a bit though - sadly, I cant just cut it into two pieces I think I'll get it, if there won't appear any other cabs out there in Sale section soon. Laimis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted July 29, 2011 Author Share Posted July 29, 2011 Ok, chaps, thanks for everyone's input, the issue is now sold - a brand new Tc Electronic RS112 is in my garage right now - got this cab incredibly cheap (300 pounds) from the shop. The good thing is, that I'll be able to take it with my Shuttle 3 head to 'medium' gigs where I wouldnt really need too much sound and two cabinets. Shuttle cabinet will be used for rehearsals and smallish gigs. Can't wait to try the full rig on TV season opening! Two things to sort - order customs covers for both cabs and buy Auralex Pad. easy Laimis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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