C G C F. What cab(s) ?

[Turk]

Yesterday I had an audition with a band that use C G C F tuning. Original stuff. Hard rock, but not metal. I've been offered the job, with the first gig on Sept 23rd. I really don't think my 2x10 and 1x15 cabs will cope with a 'full on' gig. I'm using a 20yr old Hartke 2000 (200w) head and the speakers are Sheffield 10's and a Bugera 15.

Any suggestions on a more suitable (and ideally not too expensive) set up ?

Edited September 5, 2011 by Turk

[JTUK]

[quote name='Turk' post='1363491' date='Sep 5 2011, 09:42 PM']Recently had an audition with a band that use C G C F tuning. I was offered the job but and really don't think my 2x10 and 1x15 cabs will cope with a 'full on' gig. I'm using a Hartke 2000 (200w) head and the speakers are Sheffield 10's and a Bugera 15.

Any suggestions on a more suitable (and ideally not too expensive) set up ?[/quote]


Bemused about the tuning, but there you go.... but 200w into a 210 and 115 should be easy....unless the cabs have taken a canning elsewhere.
What is the power rating of the cabs..?

I send a low B into 2x210's at loud volumes off a 550w amp. Works fine and sounds great, IMO.

[Mr. Foxen]

Heavily depends on the tone more than the tuning, how much bottom are you trying to get?

[d-basser]

Can't go wrong with Barefaced, my wee Midget handles a low A without any issues, not too expensive either.

[Turk]

Bemused with the tuning ? Yep, me too.
Not really looking for extreme bottom end, just don't want cabs that sound 'on the limit'. I'd say nice, round and growly sums up my ideal.

[Turk]

The 15" is a little used 600w Aluminium coned Bugera and the 10's are two Sheffield drivers from my well used Peavey 410tx, rated 700w (program).

Edited September 5, 2011 by Turk

[Mr. Foxen]

Sounds like you could do a lot better on the cab. The 600w means nothing, an the Sheffield drivers might not agree with the new cab as well as they could. If you on't want loads of bottom, eq it out, see how much you can pull low faders without being unhappy.

[Turk]

Yeah, I was thinking along those lines. They're fine with standard (sensible) tuning but dropping to CGCF has got them somewhat stressed out and none too happy. Tried tweaking the EQ but still not happy with results.

[Mr. Foxen]

Those cabs sound like they aren't light, if you don't mind not so light cabs, you have good options second hand for a low price.

[Turk]

No, actually they are relatively light. They're Behringer cabs.

[Dread Bass]

The tuning makes sense its everything down a step then the lowest string dropped another step like Drop D but all strings down another step I tune like this sometimes but with my B string tuned to G.

[TomTFS]

My bas are currently tuned to CGCF, why's it so weird? It's just drop D down a step?

I'm using an SVT2 and an old 70s Ampeg 2x15 with Celestions in it. Handles it fine but I like it to sound like its driven to hell. Fits the music better.
Got an Eden head/Ashdown MAG410 cab setup that I use for another band that handles low A pretty well too.

In either case you're never going to hear the fundamental on the C or the A very well out of a bass amp. Should be there through the DI signal though, but whether the PA goes that low is another thing entirely.

Edited September 5, 2011 by TomTFS

[Turk]

Yep, it does make sense, but I'm not a lover of floppy strings. I'm using my Warwick Streamer, but haven't adjusted the neck for that much of a drop as yet. No way am dropping the tuning on my BB3000. My BB-N4 will be left as standard and just dropped as a back up for gigs, if I take the job.

Edited September 5, 2011 by Turk

[Turk]

Incedentally, would C G C F have any adverse effect on the neck once it's set up ? What string gauge would be best for lessening the floppy 'four old boot laces' feel ?

Edited September 5, 2011 by Turk

[xgsjx]

What's your budget? I'd be looking to replace the cabs asap with either 2 2x10s or 2 1x15s (or if you can, either a Barefaced or a BFM self build).

[Turk]

If I changed the cabs and the amp it would all have to be less than £1000 gbp.

I was thinking maybe just new drivers rather than complete cabs . Any sugestions ? BW's ?

Edited September 5, 2011 by Turk

[chrismuzz]

I've played a low B through a single 2x10 and it sounded fine. The added 15 would help too and would certainly be giggable. If you like the sound you get from the cabs already it should be fine really but if you do wanna upgrade you can't go wrong with a 4x10. My current cab handles a low A with ease!

[Turk]

I have my old Peavey 410tx cab that just needs new drivers. Any suggestions ?

[chris_b]

Get a Barefaced Super Fifteen. Or better still call BFB and Alex will advise.

[bobbass4k]

[quote name='Turk' post='1363611' date='Sep 5 2011, 11:35 PM']Incedentally, would C G C F have any adverse effect on the neck once it's set up ? What string gauge would be best for lessening the floppy 'four old boot laces' feel ?[/quote]

DR DDT strings, I can't reccomend them enough for drop tuning, pricy, but worthwhile.

[JTUK]

[quote name='TomTFS' post='1363588' date='Sep 5 2011, 11:21 PM']My bas are currently tuned to CGCF, why's it so weird? It's just drop D down a step?[/quote]


You're stacking 4ths on 3 and a 5th of another string.....???

Doesn't sound very condusive from a fingering POV...unless anything goes if the tunes are all about open strings.
Otherwise you can do all that from a normal low B set-up...

but anyway.. £1000 would get you a decent set-up in the FS section, I'm sure...a decent amp and a 410 and you are sorted....
or if someone can recommend replacement drivers for the PV, but that sort of thing shouldn't be undertaken lightly, IME.

You could spec the chassis' already there and ask if anyone can spec a comparable driver

[xgsjx]

If £1k is your budget then you'll find many good rigs in the for sale section on here.
There's a good selection of amps (including a Markbass Rocker), & for cabs there's an Acme B2 & a Markbass 6x10 to start with. And you'd still have change left.
If you went down the combo route, there's a Markbass 2x10 for just £550! & if you needed further, there's a few matching 2x10s, again all below budget.

The last thing I would do is spend money on your old cabs (no offence intended), but reconing an old peavey is gonna cost more than it's worth.

[charic]

I'm playing in a metal band with the same tuning.

Check out Newtone strings, they made me a custom set and they're brilliant to play. Now my strings are as tight as standard tuning on normal strings (you can't tune back up).

I use my ACG through a TC RH450 & RS210 and the band loves the tone. I'll get another cab when the need arises (probably another RS210)

IMHO change the strings before the cab they will change your sound WAY more than you realise.

I can type in the string gauges I use if you like with the Newtones. Otherwise send me a PM and I can let you know my name so you can ask for a matching set if you're interested.

Edited September 6, 2011 by charic

[charic]

[quote name='JTUK' post='1363676' date='Sep 6 2011, 02:16 AM']You're stacking 4ths on 3 and a 5th of another string.....???

Doesn't sound very condusive from a fingering POV...unless anything goes if the tunes are all about open strings.
Otherwise you can do all that from a normal low B set-up...

but anyway.. £1000 would get you a decent set-up in the FS section, I'm sure...a decent amp and a 410 and you are sorted....
or if someone can recommend replacement drivers for the PV, but that sort of thing shouldn't be undertaken lightly, IME.

You could spec the chassis' already there and ask if anyone can spec a comparable driver[/quote]

It's a guitar driven tuning really. However there is absolutely NO WAY I could play these tunes on a 5 or 6 string in standard.

[Turk]

Hmm...interesting ! I'll pm you for a reference name. Cheers Charic.