Chord problem (Up the Junction)

[squire5]

Can anybody help?In the Squeeze song, Up the Junction,what is the chord thats played on the word 'incubator'?Sounds like it should be B minor,but there's something different about it.All the other chords at that point in the other verses are deffo B minor.Any tabs I've checked also say B minor,but I maintain theres something odd about the Incubator one.Does anybody agree,or am I just going mental?

[gary mac]

Sorry can't help you, haven't got time to dig out the disc and play it this morning cos off on a holiday in a couple of hours.

Good choice of song though. What a great songwriting team.

Anyway good luck with it.

[Earbrass]

OK, I'd never heard this song before, but I just went and found the video on YouTube, thinking it would be a good "ear test". You are correct - it's a different chord. I'm sat at work with no musical instruments handy, so I'm going purely by ear, but I [i]think[/i] it might be E7 (assuming that verse is mainly D/G). I could well be wrong, though. Someone better qualified / equipped / informed will be along shortly, I'm sure.



EDIT Also - the incubator verse seems to be in a different key from the first verses and the following one. I think it's one whole tone lower than the other verses (so if other verses are principally E/A, the incubator verse wd be D/G).

Edited September 13, 2011 by Earbrass

[SteveK]

A quick Youtube...

In that verse there is a keyboard line which plays a G# on the B minor chord, implying a B min 6

EDIT: Just checked a clip with Glenn Tilbrook on his own, and he does appear to be playing E7 ...so, take your pick!

Edited September 13, 2011 by SteveK

[Earbrass]

[quote name='SteveK' post='1371468' date='Sep 13 2011, 09:40 AM']A quick Youtube...

In that verse there is a keyboard line which plays a G# on the B minor chord, implying a B min 6[/quote]

..Aha. The G# would explain why I was leaning towards an E chord of some sort.

[pietruszka]

Is it in the key change? If so I think it's an E with a B bass. O haven't played it in a long time!



Dan

[squire5]

EDIT Also - the incubator verse seems to be in a different key from the first verses and the following one. I think it's one whole tone lower than the other verses (so if other verses are principally E/A, the incubator verse wd be D/G).
[/quote]

Yes,you're right.The song starts in E and then makes its way into the key of D,and then back to E again.I've tried playing a G sharp on top of the Bflat in question and it doesn't sound too bad,but when you experiment and try the same thing in the key of E (IE playing a Bflat on top of the Dflat minor chord) it definitely doesn't work,which leads me to believe that the band play a variation of Bflat at the point I mentioned.God this is getting complicated.

[squire5]

Just found a track on Spotify with Glen Tillbrook doing the song on his own with just an acoustic.Guess what he plays.....Straight Bminor! But even as SteveK suggested the Bminor 6th still doesn't sound right either.I wonder if Jools Holland follows BC??

[ojwethorns]

[quote name='squire5' post='1371391' date='Sep 13 2011, 07:54 AM']Can anybody help?In the Squeeze song, Up the Junction,what is the chord thats played on the word 'incubator'?Sounds like it should be B minor,but there's something different about it.All the other chords at that point in the other verses are deffo B minor.Any tabs I've checked also say B minor,but I maintain theres something odd about the Incubator one.Does anybody agree,or am I just going mental? [/quote]
Yes. It is G#minor7.
Cheers

[SteveK]

[quote name='ojwethorns' post='1371649' date='Sep 13 2011, 12:24 PM']Yes. It is G#minor7.
Cheers[/quote]Nope!

Whether it's Bmin6 or E7, it's a B on the bass, so let your guitarist/keyboard player decide...on the night

[Earbrass]

[quote name='ojwethorns' post='1371649' date='Sep 13 2011, 12:24 PM']Yes. It is G#minor7.
Cheers[/quote]


[quote name='SteveK' post='1371669' date='Sep 13 2011, 12:36 PM']Nope!

Whether it's Bmin6 or E7, it's a B on the bass, so let your guitarist/keyboard player decide...on the night [/quote]

Got to agree - I don't think there's a D# in there.

[lowdown]

E7 over a B bass,


Garry

[chardbass]

My two-penneth re the studio version

Guitar is playing a Bm as the F# is very audible- try playing an E in this chord and it sounds all kinds of wrong (its a passing note in the melody)
The G# in the keys is pretty up in the mix and as the Bass isn't overly bassy a G#min7b5 is implied if you like

In a nutshell its a Bm with a prominent G# in the keys line.

[squire5]

Bm with a G sharp?Hmm.That actually seems right.It works.my problem had been that we dont have keyboard in our lineup so we were trying to make it work with just guitar and bass.But that combo definitely works.What does the team think?I had thought that Garry's E7 might have been right.PS how d'ya get the 'Sharp' icon on your keyboard?

Edited September 13, 2011 by squire5

[SteveK]

[quote name='squire5' post='1371719' date='Sep 13 2011, 01:17 PM'][b]Bm with a G sharp?Hmm.[/b]That actually seems right.It works.my problem had been that we dont have keyboard in our lineup so we were trying to make it work with just guitar and bass.But that combo definitely works.What does the team think?I had thought that Garry's E7 might have been right.[b]PS how d'ya get the 'Sharp' icon on your keyboard?[/b][/quote]That'll be a Bmin6 then

#=# er, I mean[i] hash key[/i]

[dave_bass5]

Ive always thought it was just Jools fluffing his line at that point.

We do this song but have never tried to capture that moment, and just play it straight.

[squire5]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wFJEyj1rU&feature=fvst"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wFJEyj1rU&feature=fvst[/url]

Found this.he seems to play a simple E or E7 at the 'incubator' point.The lost chord??

[squire5]

[quote name='SteveK' post='1371761' date='Sep 13 2011, 01:40 PM']That'll be a Bmin6 then

#=# er, I mean[i] hash key[/i][/quote]

D'oh!!

[squire5]

I think we'll leave it at E or E7.Well done Earbrass you were the first to suggest it.

[squire5]

Changed my mind.Its a Bm with an added G#.That is all.