aldude Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) New cab arrived today. No need for explanations, just see the pics Edit: OK, I will explain, it's the Compact that came! Edited September 21, 2011 by aldude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterfire666 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Very nice, im expecting my super 12T on thurs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Very nice Barefaced stack there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Is that 450? How does it sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldude Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 It is the RH450. I have not yet had a chance to try it with the S12T+Compact, and I won't for another 2 weeks but I have used it plenty with the S12T on its own, including for gigs. It sounds good, plenty of volume (far too much in fact!), the EQ is pretty powerful and you can dial in pretty much any sound you like. It's clear and cuts through very well, it's voiced a little low for my taste but I add quite a lot of mids and get the sound I want easily enough. I like it just wish it was a bit more trebly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 [quote name='aldude' timestamp='1316596000' post='1380023'] ....It is the RH450. I have not yet had a chance to try it with the S12T+Compact.... [/quote] The Compact is 8 ohm and the Super 12 is 4 ohm. Are you happy to be running the RH450 at 2.67 ohms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 ^ That was partially my thoughts too. I know TC have done some clever jiggery pokery with the head but I'm unsure whether I would go that far. As I'm about gigging I'm currently considering moving to a one cab solution (4ohm) rather than get another RS210. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldude Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) TC say their heads (RH450, RH750 and I assume the Staccato '51) can run with three of their own 8 ohm cabs. If their cabs are truly 8 ohm, there is no reason why the head cannot be run with three of another manufacturer's 8 ohm cabs, or an 8 and a 4. So, theoretically, the RH450 is good for 2.67 ohm. That's good enough for me TC insisting that it must be their own cabs is either marketing spin, or an implicit admission that their cabs aren't actually 8 ohm - I have heard that they are about 10 ohm but then I have also heard they are actually 8 ohm so it depends on who you listen to! I guess only time will tell, and I promise to post pics if my RH450 becomes a blackened hulk Edited September 21, 2011 by aldude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 [quote name='aldude' timestamp='1316599047' post='1380072'] ....I promise to post pics if my RH450 becomes a blackened hulk.... [/quote] The amp should just go into protection mode, which should only require switching off to reduce heat and reset the amp. The RH750 manual actually says you can't hurt that amp by running under 4 ohm, so I would expect the RH450 to be the same. Maybe an external fan blowing through the vents would be enough to reduce the temperature enough to keep amp running. Anyway I'd be interested to hear how you get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burno70 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Wow - looks fantastic mate. I'm expecting my super12T soon. Just wondering - did you feel that the super12 lacked lows or were you just after a complete killer rig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldude Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 [quote name='burno70' timestamp='1316603031' post='1380158'] Wow - looks fantastic mate. I'm expecting my super12T soon. Just wondering - did you feel that the super12 lacked lows or were you just after a complete killer rig? [/quote] I did feel the S12T lacked lows, I was running it with a Trace Elliot amp. I could always EQ in enough but I don't like to "force" these things. I don't feel that the S12T lacks lows at all with the RH450, I suspect because it is naturally more pronounced in the low mids. So the Compact is mainly there for the extra output when needed. Which admittedly isn't that often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 When could you possibly need more output than an S12 on its own?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burno70 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 [quote name='Merton' timestamp='1316605465' post='1380217']When could you possibly need more output than an S12 on its own?!![/quote] When you want to kill everyone else in the room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 You could quite possibly have the HSE knocking on your door If that is they're wearing ear defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Re: the minimum ohms, see this new document produced by TC. Apparently there is more information coming on the whole 'wattage' specs. http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/tc-electronic-power-rating-and-active-power-management.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 See the table at the bottom, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldude Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 That's an interesting document, and if I understand it correctly, the TC amp looks like a lower power amp due to its limiting of high peaks to create a more tubey sound, so this implies that the high peaks that we don't really hear anyway contribute quite a lot to the measured power output of an amp. Or, to put it another way, the 236W measured by that bass magazine (can't remember which right now) is mainly a fault of the testing method, which includes the loud peaks that you don't really hear anyway, the loud peaks being reproduced unnecessarily by the "other" solid state heads, but this is beneficial to the other heads as it ups the apparent wattage without really sounding much louder. I appreciate this has been scrutinised by TC's PR department but it certainly does help in understanding what the amp is up to! Unfortunately this does not address the ohmage capability of the amp and whether it would cope with 2.67 or even 2 ohms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 [quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1316610711' post='1380335'] Re: the minimum ohms, see this new document produced by TC. Apparently there is more information coming on the whole 'wattage' specs. [url="http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/tc-electronic-power-rating-and-active-power-management.pdf"]http://www.tcelectro...-management.pdf[/url] [/quote] Can't see anything to do with Ohms there though. Very interesting read, makes perfect sense an all but... No Ohmage in there as far as I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 The bottom table, min load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottswarwick Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Yep, it is there at the bottom. 2.67R I think R means resistance, which is measured in Ohms......thinking back 20 years to education lol But that means 3 8ohm cabs, or one 4 and one 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) [size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial]So according to the power rating table, TC has admitted to a potential 2.66 ohm minimum load for the power section of their amps. [/font][/color][/size] [size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial]But if they haven't changed their 4 ohm minimum ratings then either marketing is still getting in the way, or something else in the amp might be a bottle neck, heat dissipation, maybe?[/font][/color][/size] [size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial]ps I assumed that the R in 2.66R meant recurring.[/font][/color][/size] Edited September 21, 2011 by chris_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottswarwick Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistance_and_conductance"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistance_and_conductance[/url] just to be boring lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 To be even more boring R is commonly used instead of Omega (the Greek symbol) for ohms. Ohms, in this case, being the impedance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottswarwick Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 [quote name='Merton' timestamp='1316622052' post='1380548'] To be even more boring R is commonly used instead of Omega (the Greek symbol) for ohms. Ohms, in this case, being the impedance [/quote] indeed. well said that man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) I wonder. Its weird how they have admitted to the min load issue, but not officially said 'go and use any 3 8 ohm cabinets, or a 4 and 8.' Could lead to quite an interesting stack. Edited September 21, 2011 by Musicman20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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