Where the hell rock's gone?

[foal30]

I rate the Kings of Leon
especially as it seems as they have been listening to the Pixies
"Charmer" could have come off "Doolittle" and you know that is a top Rock album.

[Wil]

[quote name='JoeS' post='163267' date='Mar 25 2008, 05:09 PM']Agreed, I was there as well, Alderete's a hell of a player. I felt completely knackered by the end though, I didn't think they'd ever stop!



Couldn't agree more, I cannot stand Dream Theater's music. Absolutely bores me stupid.



Nah he's definitely still there, although their old drummer Jon Theodore left to be replaced by Thomas Pridgen, with mixed results IMO.

Some rock/metal bands I'm particularly enjoying at the moment:

Botch
Russian Circles
This Will Destroy You
Latitudes
Devil Sold His Soul
Isis

All highly recommended to the post-rock fans out there (well, I suppose Botch or Devil Sold His Soul aren't post-rock, but they're flippin' good all the same).[/quote]


Man, I know what you mean. Besides the fact I was reasonably hammered, I had trouble standing for 3 hours, my back was killing me!

I thought Thomas Pridgen was amazing on the drums, though. Such brutal energy!

[Scorchin]

Definitely agree on The Mars Volta. Their older stuff when they were At the Drive-In is also just as good. Gotta love the bass line for One Armed Scissor! Thought it's got to be noted that the bass lines for MV were written by the crazy guitarist - Cedric Bixler-Zavala. Just watch the video of what he does when he finds his guitar is out of tune on Jools! Impressive that he manages to make out the middle/solo bit, but then goes completely nuts throwing his guitar into the crowd!

I digress...I'm into all sorts, and current listened to bands of mine would be somewhere between Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, At The Drive-In, The Mars Volta and Muse (the early albums).

[Faithless]

Check 'em out, chaps:

[url="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=14688101"]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendID=14688101[/url]

That's Dysrhythmia, psycho-instrumental rock

[d-basser]

[quote name='Faithless' post='164019' date='Mar 26 2008, 07:46 PM']Check 'em out, chaps:

[url="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=14688101"]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendID=14688101[/url]

That's Dysrhythmia, psycho-instrumental rock [/quote]

not bad, not bad at all

I have been listening to these guys for my fix of instrumental weirdness [url="http://<a%20href="]http://www.myspace.com/thesontaranexperiment[/url] Their use of sound is trance enducing and border line uncomfortable but when i saw them live they played a non stop 30minute set that was the most mezmerizing thing I have ever heard, I felt like I was drugged or atleast very drunk, fantastic stuff if you can stand it.

Edited March 26, 2008 by d-basser

[Faithless]

Their music is so much interesting, though, I'd maybe like a little more action. But live experience - I think they'd be outstanding.

I could suggest somethin' similar to this, SoundArcade, Latvian crew. You HAVE to get their "12 songs of Jackalope" - it's one of [i]those[/i] albums, that's interesting from start to finish ( the 15th song, by the way... ). One song is just about 'normal' song, in the other sings some old-folky-biddy and then the band joins in... It's so much awesome.


[url="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=43245897"]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...iendid=43245897[/url]

The 1st and 3rd Myspace song is from that album.

[OutToPlayJazz]

1. Basses... Yes, many people on here are into their Fenders - I have one myself & really like it. And many of us are highly supportive of British luthiers such as Jon Shuker & Rob Green at Status-Graphite.

2. Rock music is something that a great many of us here play in order to earn money. In my case, I like to learn & listen to jazz, funk & new grass, as I hear and play too much rock music as it is!

3. Perhaps many of us aspiring bass players also avoid rock music after reaching a certain standard as it's not as challenging to play as funk & jazz?

[Faithless]

[quote name='OutToPlayJazz' post='164832' date='Mar 27 2008, 11:36 PM']3. Perhaps many of us aspiring bass players also avoid rock music after reaching a certain standard as it's not as challenging to play as funk & jazz?[/quote]


Uh... I certainly can't agree with that. Not that long time ago I thought ( with my teacher's-jazzist's help, by the way...) that rock is kinda limited music, and funk & jazz is the 'true' thing for a player who uses to keep himself as a 'true' bassist. But then I discovered progressive rock/metal, however you call it, because I don't see much difference there.. So, every kind of music is interesting in it's way, and, no doubts, as challening as other ones.
OK, we can then discuss that prog-rock is just a pile of jazz/funk/metal and many other little genres, but that's why it's prog. And that's why it satisfies me. Cuz it still haves that agression and herewith mistycism, oddness.

Don't we forget, that every kind of music has something from 'other side'.

[umph]

[quote name='Faithless' post='161815' date='Mar 22 2008, 03:28 PM']Well, I may be misunderstood for this, but I'll try at least..

So, it's about half-a-year I'm on this chat - reading topics, laughing at Ped( everything's cool, mate ), watching sorta porn, so on.. And it's really nice to be 'surrounded' by so many people, that are sensible about basses and stuff, but, the thing I kinda feel this area is lack of a bit is...

When I think of Basschat, I simply [i]know[/i] that people love Fender's, a words called [i]groove and jazz[/i], Jamerson and so much other thingies, but..

Aren't we interested in what John Myung is doing, what's Dood doing ( we have our own rocky-chaps here, don't we? ), what about Rob Trujillo's using, how's new Meshuggah's album ( IMO Nothing is their best work so far..), do you know Dysrhythmia and sooooo on...

Generaly, I'm interested in that 'complex' side of rock/metal music, and those persons/bands musicially, technically, visualy, even psychologically represent it for me..

I mean, I like music of any genre, one day I listen to some Les Claypool tunes, the other to Jay Kay's voice, the third to some crazy Meshuggah rhythmic patterns.. There's so much good music out there, but don't you, folks, want to ROCK?


I hope at least few understood my flimflams..

Cheers, chaps, waitin' for you thoughts,
F8[/quote]
obzen > nothing this may have something to do with listening to nothing far to much though, i agree with everything else you've said though ;o

[charic]

[quote name='cheddatom' post='163130' date='Mar 25 2008, 01:34 PM']I really, REALLY hate dream theatre. So so boring. This kind of music is basically there because musicians like to show off, and other musicians like to watch musicians show off. If musicians didn't buy music, dream theatre would be flat broke.[/quote]

Somewhat agree to an extent but being an avid dream theater fan i demand you know your songs first particularly their latest album which is less... "showy" if you want. Btw the original song that got me into dream theater was "endless sacrifice". Anyways heres 2 songs that have turned 7 ppls heads UNTIL i told them it was dream theater (their very very multiskilled, ie.. a ragtime is in one solo or other but i forget which song as i havnt watched the dvd in a few days)

-Forsaken
-Wait for sleep

I DARE you not to like them

Youd be the first not too out of everyone i knw lol even my MUM likes em!

[geilerbass]

Endless Sacrifice is such a great song. And such brilliant lyrics.

Sadly many people can't see past the technical ability to realise that Dream Theater write great SONGS. That's what attracted me to Dream Theater when I first heard Awake many moons ago.

[charic]

It was me n my 1st gf's song.. with the distance and all ah the memories

[JoeS]

[quote name='charic' post='164896' date='Mar 27 2008, 11:02 PM']Somewhat agree to an extent but being an avid dream theater fan i demand you know your songs first particularly [b]their latest album which is less... "showy"[/b] if you want. Btw the original song that got me into dream theater was "endless sacrifice". Anyways heres 2 songs that have turned 7 ppls heads UNTIL i told them it was dream theater (their very very multiskilled, ie.. a ragtime is in one solo or other but i forget which song as i havnt watched the dvd in a few days)

-Forsaken
-Wait for sleep

I DARE you not to like them

Youd be the first not too out of everyone i knw lol even my MUM likes em![/quote]

The thing with Dream Theater is that being "showy" is the only thing they've got going for them. If you take away the "showiness" of Dream Theater you're just left with a third-rate metal band with an appalling singer. Their last album is proof of that - it's painful to listen to.

[charic]

amazing singer thankies. IMHO ofcourse. Last album was awesome too a joy to see at wembley arena

[d-basser]

I like the most recent Dream Theater album, yes their singer aint the best but aint aint half bad.

[Cantdosleepy]

I love post-rock but can't get on with prog at all. Mogwai have been one of my favourites for as long as I can remember. Can't be dealing with any instrumentals with showy technical bits, though. Dream Theater, Rush, 95% of the Mars Volta, though, just don't like any of it.

I don't know why this is.

[Sibob]

I don't mind DT's intrumental stuff.....sometimes....for like 5 minutes

But dammit I can't stand the singer...horrible horrible lol

Si

[vegas_hooker]

I remember downloading a bootleg of dream theatre playing Master of Puppets in full. I might have well listened to the original really. It had no character and was perfect to the degree that it seemed like a pointless endeavour to me. Even the guitar tone was the same. I can see why they are admired and respected but not enough recklessness for me.

Back to OutToPlayJazz's point about moving on from rock music. I think thats a fine view to hold but some folk just arent interested in the funk or jazz, despite their level of ability and talent. Progress isnt really an objective notion and works in different ways for everyone.

[geilerbass]

[quote name='charic' post='164926' date='Mar 27 2008, 11:27 PM']It was me n my 1st gf's song.. with the distance and all ah the memories[/quote]


That's a fantastic song to have as your 'special' song. Very touching lyrics - gets me everytime when I see it live!

[Faithless]

Why do so many people dislike Mr. Labrie? For me, despite the fact it was a 'record', his voice in "Systematic Chaos" is outstanding. Well, his vocals isn't for everyone's taste, but it has sorta drive and expression that does the trick. And, regrettably, many people don't get that.

What about DT's version of Pastor of Muppets... You know, maybe I'm too used to Hetfield's raging voice, so Labrie's vocals simply couldn't reach that level. He was lack of expression and that made whole thing sound boringly..
I couldn't say Labrie's voice just isn't for MoP, but, maybe, if they'd try again now, and with some A LOT more expression it could do the trick with MoP's interpretation...

Edited March 29, 2008 by Faithless

[geilerbass]

[quote name='Faithless' post='165808' date='Mar 29 2008, 11:58 AM']Why do so many people dislike Mr. Labrie? For me, despite the fact it was a 'record', his voice in "Systematic Chaos" is outstanding. Well, his vocals isn't for everyone's taste, but it has sorta drive and expression that does the trick. And, regrettably, many people don't get that.

What about DT's version of Pastor of Muppets... You know, maybe I'm too used to Hetfield's raging voice, so Labrie's vocals simply couldn't reach that level. He was lack of expression and that made whole thing sound boringly..
I couldn't say Labrie's voice just isn't for MoP, but, maybe, if they'd try again now, and with some A LOT more expression it could do the trick with MoP's interpretation...[/quote]

I've just never got the "Dream Theater would be so much better if they had a different singer" line - I can't think of any vocalist who would be more suited to their music. He's a technically superb singer and is able to emote the lyrics so well, always expressing the meaning and feeling of the song perfectly.

But then again, I'm pretty sure I'm in the extreme minority.

I haven't actually heard the DT Master of Puppets - despite many attempts, I've never been able to get into Metallica, so this wasn't a big deal for me, either way. I thought DT did a fantastic job of Number of the Beast - even turning the pointless Ganglands into a stand out track.

Edited March 29, 2008 by geilerbass

[peteb]

Dream Theatre always strike me as a bunch of Berklee students who just couldn't decide if their favourite band was Metallica or Rush!

Technically very proficient but very po-faced and also pretty poor writing – if you must be pretentious you may as well take the Yes route and occasionally write outstanding pieces of music…

[thisnameistaken]

I just don't like listening to songs about dragons and pixies. Call me old-fashioned but I like witty, observant songwriters like Ray Davies, John Lennon, Ian Dury, Elvis Costello, Morrissey, even Alex Turner. Quality pop music. When someone starts banging on about trench warfare or mystical monsters in the underworld they lose me.

[vegas_hooker]

[quote name='Faithless' post='165808' date='Mar 29 2008, 11:58 AM']Why do so many people dislike Mr. Labrie? For me, despite the fact it was a 'record', his voice in "Systematic Chaos" is outstanding. Well, his vocals isn't for everyone's taste, but it has sorta drive and expression that does the trick. And, regrettably, many people don't get that.

What about DT's version of Pastor of Muppets... You know, maybe I'm too used to Hetfield's raging voice, so Labrie's vocals simply couldn't reach that level. He was lack of expression and that made whole thing sound boringly..
I couldn't say Labrie's voice just isn't for MoP, but, maybe, if they'd try again now, and with some A LOT more expression it could do the trick with MoP's interpretation...[/quote]

I was referring to the whole band, though I don't rate the vocalist either.

[Gamble]

I've never listened to a Dream Theatre album, but I really quite enjoyed them at Download last year. I was worried before they came on as I'd only caught a snippet of them on dvd at a mates house and they went from rock/metal to what sounded like fairground carousel music in the blink of an eye - thus strengthening the show-off over songwriting image in my head. I watched them with the same friend who tells me that they picked a fairly straight-forward rock/metal set so maybe that's why I didn't have to kill myself.

Les Claypool is one of my favorite bass players, probably the most inspiring in my list. I got into Primus through the more comedy and unusual stuff like Jerry Was A Race Car Driver, DMV and Wynona's Big Brown Beaver (the first 2 for the innovative playing and the latter for the lyrical genius!!) and I'm still not quite sold on some of the more sombre stuff (or alot of Seas Of Cheese even though it's meant to be their classic), but they're more a prog band than metal. Les' solo albums are good too, although I preferred Purple Onion to Whales And Woe they've both got some great tracks on them with grooves and interesting bass lines.

Ryan Martini from Mudvayne is a good example of complex bass playing in heavy music, but again it tends to be techy/proggy metal. The albums seem to get more straight laced as they release them which I quite like, I like to think maybe they got bored of showing off and wanted to get back to writing songs with grooves as opposed to getting pushed in a direction by labels/the industry.

Tye Zamora is a great bass player with restraint in my eyes, only playing what's needed even though he could go absolutely ape - it would spoil the songs. I think he plays plenty when the song is improved by it, but then just chugs it out when that's called for too. He's from Alien Ant Farm incase anyone didn't know.

Lastly - SIKTH.

Dear god CHECK THEM OUT if you haven't already. It's the craziest metal mixed with jazz mixed with god knows what and even though it's tech as hell they manage to keep a groove going through it. Seriously, I can't say enough good things about them - and now they've split. Arses. But our very own Dood is playing with one of their guitarists (if not more of them) so there should be more good things to come. That reminds me, promise me you'll keep the grooves DoooOOOD!!!