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[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1325689568' post='1486120']
Where from if you don't mind me asking? Looks like a nice piece of kit.
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Probably going to get the Reidmar from Thomann and the cabs from Guitar and Amp Shop unless anyone knows anywhere else or better that sells them.

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[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1325690658' post='1486139']
Looks like BassDirect has the amp in stock [url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/EBS_Amplification.html"]http://www.bassdirec...lification.html[/url]
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Cheers Clarky.

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[quote name='Linus27' timestamp='1325690363' post='1486136']
Probably going to get the Reidmar from Thomann and the cabs from Guitar and Amp Shop unless anyone knows anywhere else or better that sells them.
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I got mine from Rich Tone Music for £399 and they had two available when they checked the stock before I purchased, so the other one still might be there. They delivered next day which made me very happy! I did try Power Supplies.com as they are a bit cheaper (£379), but they didn't have any in stock and won't have any until the 9th January. I think Rich Tone have the Classicline cabs, but I am pretty sure Power Supplies.com don't. The Bass Gallery also sell EBS gear at a good price, but call first as they don't always have everything advertised in stock.

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£900 for the whole lot:

[url="http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/EBS_Amplification.html"]http://www.bassdirec...lification.html[/url]

In addition, 33lbs for a ceramic 1x12?! That's lighter than some neo 112s!
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That is a good price, £250 for each cab :D .

I've now sold both my Acme's, so I need to decide whether to go for a used Proline 4x10 or get a 1x12 Classic and another in a month or so.

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[quote name='Soliloquy' timestamp='1325807081' post='1488263']
That is a good price, £250 for each cab :D .

I've now sold both my Acme's, so I need to decide whether to go for a used Proline 4x10 or get a 1x12 Classic and another in a month or so.
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The Proline is probably the best 410 cab I have ever used with any amp (sounds great with my EA iAmp 500 and my old Markbass LMIII too) but it is rated 800w @ 4ohms. You will be expecting a lot from the 250w that the Reidmar can offer. But, saying that...I use my HD350 head with my 410 and it's plenty loud. I can crank the volume to about 2-3 o'clock before the low end starts to break up or run out of headroom completely. You might be pushing the limits of the Reidmar at high volumes with 100w less power, hence why I am only using mine with my Proline 210 cab to get the most out of the amps headroom. At the end of the day, I didn't buy the Reidmar for raw power and volume. If I need more of that I will use my HD350 and 410 cab. However, EBS must have a lot of confidence with the strength of their product. They say that you can use any of their 4ohm cabs with the Reidmar. No doubt you can, but you will run out headroom quickly using a Proline 610, for example. So 'any' cab is a little far fetched.

2x Classicline 112's sounds like a sensible cab setup and it will be loud and clear.

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I think I have settled on two Classic 112's for my Reidmar when it arrives. However, I can't help think that a single Proline 210 standing on its side will be a better option. I will get the full 250watts as the cab is 4 ohms where as one Classic 112 will only give me 125watts at 8 ohms. I just love the look of the Classic cabs but annoyed I would have to take two cabs to get the full beans.

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The reports about this amp are all good, this might be the rig for me after 6 years of Ashdown (and no fires ;)). My ABM is perfectly serviceable and loud enough but it's size is becoming a pain. Tried a Reidmar in Birmingham PMT through 2 1x12 cabs and it was a wonder to behold, didn't even get it above the first notch of the volume control before it was too much for close proximity.

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[quote name='Linus27' timestamp='1325852547' post='1488708']
I think I have settled on two Classic 112's for my Reidmar when it arrives. However, I can't help think that a single Proline 210 standing on its side will be a better option. I will get the full 250watts as the cab is 4 ohms where as one Classic 112 will only give me 125watts at 8 ohms. I just love the look of the Classic cabs but annoyed I would have to take two cabs to get the full beans.
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It really depends on your taste and what result you want. I wouldn't get too hung up on using 2 Classicline cabs and splitting the power. Sonically, two cabs will sound louder than one because you will get the low end resonance on the floor and one up high to shift the air at audience level. You still have the same headroom regardless. The speakers won't go any louder than what the amp can handle, but remember that EBS gear is very power efficient compared to some other brands.

The Proline 210 has a different tonal characteristic than the 410. It's not simply a downsized 410. The tone is much tighter and has more mid punch and is a very funky little package. I play with a very flat tone, so that's why I don't use 12" or 15" cabs. But, some other players would play through my 210 rig and start nagging for a 12" or 15" cab below. Everyone has their own idea on what they need to acheive their individual preferred tone.

From the conversations we have had on this thread you sound like a 12" cab kinda guy, so I would think that you would be happy with 2x Classicline cabs rather than 1x Proline 210 cab. The Classicline cabs are suprisingly loud and, best of all, very well priced. You will manage with just one until you are ready to buy a second cab. You will be fine my son! ;)

We worst thing in the world for a bass player is changing their rig to a completely new setup and then immediately regret it. 11 years ago I replaced my Hartke rig (2x Transient 5000 heads > 4x 410) to a Warwick rig (2x Quad 6 heads > 2x 411 + 2x 115) and took an instant disliking to it. The heads were okay (preferred my Hartke heads to be honest!), but I really didn't like the cab set up. That's when I realised I preferred an all 10" setup and that's what I have stuck to since then. If it's not broken, don't fix it!

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Thanks shizznit, I think you are right, I will stick with my 12's. I am worried that 10's will be too funky for my liking. I like a bit of warmth and fatness, especially as the acoustic group I play with needs me to fill the low frequencies. Think Motown with a little bit of bite and clarity.

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It isn't down to the speaker size, don't worry. It's how the cabs are designed, the speaker spec, tuning, etc. Some 15" loaded cabs can sound VERY punchy and clear and don't need any kind of extra tweeter, some 10" loaded cabs have an absolute huge low end and little in terms of mid punch (Epifani 4x10).

It seems from EBS's description that the Classicline ARE voiced towards a more 'vintage' tone (less in the high mids no doubt) but I agree, if you A/B the Pro 2x10 and the Classicline 1x12, you may think the speaker size is making the difference, and I agree, most the time it SEEMS like mainstream manufacturers make their 12" loaded cabs to fit into what we expect a 12" to sound like...so its a vicious circle.

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I spent a good hour or so with this rig at the weekend giving it a bit of a going over. Sadly, I didn't have one of my Proline cabs with me so I was testing an unfamiliar amp with unfamiliar cabs (2 1x12s). The last time I heard this amp was the prototype that Mike and Mats showed me at Frankfurt - and that was through an 8x10 neoline! In fact, this chassis started life as the Classic 160 but that never materialised (although I did like the spot varnished logo on the top better than the plastic logo which is on the Reidmar.) and after a good few years, the Reidmar finally showed up.

First observation - louder than I thought it would be and with a jazz bass going into the amp with minimal gain and master volume, the setup seemed to have good presence and buckets of the EBS signature sound on tap. A very good all rounder, finger style and again very slap happy (I know EBS seems to get tarred with this brush but it does pretty much cover every musical style - although I did notice the lack of the drive control typically found on EBS amps - good excuse to buy a valve drive I guess!) With both the character switch out and engaged, both settings gave me that very familiar sound, a sound I'm used to with my HD350 and TD650 amps. I suspect that this amp does a very good impression of an HD350 - shame I didn't have it to hand to A/B.

What was immediately noticable to me is the power in the bottom end. It was delivered with balls - something that I feel is lacking in a lot of class D amps. There was no sagging or delay of the note - even with a thumped B string, the amp was still delivering and similarly, there is bucket loads of attack on the top end. If anything, I felt that the speakers were having to work harder than the amp to get those low frequencies out. I suspect EBS have shelved the uber low frequencies (ie the stuff we don't hear) to maximise those 250 watts. It certainly seems to have worked. I would quite happily take this set up out to the smaller gigs that I do.

Other plus points... headphone socket! Good quality sockets - none of that plastic tat. I know some people will bitch about the single speaker output - especially if their existing cabs haven't got two speakons on them to daisy chain... but overall, I don't think that you can complain for the money.

As for the speakers, well, they haven't got the versatility of the proline and neolines due to the on/off tweeter switch as opposed to the variable control - but they are very pleasing to the ears both with the tweeter off and engaged. I would say they have a more rounder sound to what I am used to with a less excitable top end - but a lot of guys seem to prefer that. (I've never got why people go on about the amount of treble that EBS cabs can produce - you simply turn the tweeter level down? Am I presuming that such an adjustment is beyond the realms of most bassplayers!?). Again, when I last spoke to the guys at EBS, they said that they were confident that they had found cheaper equivalents to the more expensive Eminence and Selenium tweeters that they use in their neo/proline series... and I have to say, I believe them. They do sound great.

Weightwise, the head is lovely, sizewise, I'm still a little dissapointed... it would have been nice to see something competing in the Shuttle (esp the 3) and Markbass arena... but I suppose it isn't the end of the world. It just would have been good to be gig bag size friendly.

The cabs are nice - still prefer the visuals of their other cabs, but they are made well and have that classic look that lots of people are digging on. They sounds great - especially for the money. They didn't have extreme bumps in their response - nothing that stood out of the ordinary anyway. My main fear was that due to the size of them, they would sound a little boxy. They sound good. Not huge - but certainly a lot bigger than I was expecting. Certainly compared to the Neo 112, I would say it's a good speaker. I have never been convinced the the neoline 1x10 or 1x12 - they seem to struggle with everything I threw at them.

So... It makes for a good compact rig. Do I want one? Of course I do. Do I have a need for one? Not really as I think it's too close to my HD350 to warrant getting one... but for that reason alone, for anybody who hasn't got a HD350 and wants that sort of sound at a snip of the price, it's a no brainer. Will be interesting to see how long the HD350 stays around for given the fact that the Reidmar is snapping at it's heels... and lets not forget the HD350 has been around for over 10 years now. I still think that the 250watt rating is a bit of a marketing nightmare as for the people that buy on specs, 250w is too low given some of the figures that the competition are putting out... (It obviously bothered TC enough for them to be creative with their figures). I would have liked to see a 500w figure... but as I say, it's a loud wee beastie! Just a note though - if anybody is coming from EBS cabs and run a multi cab setup, the majority of EBS cabs are 4 ohm and the "bigger" heads goes down to 2ohms. This does not hold with the Reidmar... so if you are looking at just changing your existing EBS head, it's a bit of a bummer. Conversely, I'm not in a bad position as my cabs are all custom orders at 8ohm - however, running two of them with the Reidmar I think would be OK.. but just the 1 where the head isn't going to deliver it's full 250 watt... well, I'm not too sure... Certainly something to think about...! Maybe I should just get 2! :P

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Thanks EBS freak. I am ordering my Reidmar today and then ordering the speakers after. I would love to have the 4 ohms Classic 212 cab to run with it but at 66lbs it just defeats the object of lightweight. So I will have to settle on 2 x 112 Classic cabs. I love the tone of my EBS Classic 60 combo. Deep, warm and full so I am hoping the Reidmar and Classic 112 cab will be much the same. I only play in an acoustic band so not desperate for lots of power but I am doing some big concert hall gigs later in the year and need something with a bit of balls behind me. I think the Reidmar will be perfect.

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[quote name='Linus27' timestamp='1326113627' post='1492393']
Thanks EBS freak. I am ordering my Reidmar today and then ordering the speakers after. I would love to have the 4 ohms Classic 212 cab to run with it but at 66lbs it just defeats the object of lightweight. So I will have to settle on 2 x 112 Classic cabs. I love the tone of my EBS Classic 60 combo. Deep, warm and full so I am hoping the Reidmar and Classic 112 cab will be much the same. I only play in an acoustic band so not desperate for lots of power but I am doing some big concert hall gigs later in the year and need something with a bit of balls behind me. I think the Reidmar will be perfect.
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Yes - I should think for your needs it will fit the bill perfectly. I'd certainly like a setup like that in my arsenal! :)

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Great review EBS_Freak!

To add to the comment you made about EBS demo'ing the Reidmar with an 810...I have an interesting photo to upload that I took at my gig last night. Can't right now because my iPhone won't let me upload to imageshack, but I will do it on my laptop when I get back home later.

Had a big gig to play last night so I took my HD350 and Proline 410. Happened to have my Reidmar with me, so after we sound checked I popped it in for a blast whilst the venue was empty. I set the same EQ, gain and compression levels on both heads and brought the backline volume up to the same level I sound checked with (which was pretty loud last night). The result really freaked me out! You will understand why when I upload the photo later.

Now that I have spent a lot of time with the Reidmar I have noticed a few things which I initially didn't pick up on.

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The output signal is a little hotter than it is on the HD350. I noticed it last week when I was doing some direct recording at home. Maybe this has been upgraded? Doesn't bother me much as I use my EA amp for all of my direct recording.

[u]Mid range[/u]

The mid's on the Reidmar sound a bit more projected than other EBS amps, including the Fafner. There is definately a bit of difference there.

[u]Low end[/u]

As you said EBS_Freak, I did notice that I have to crank the 'Low' knob up one more notch than I normally would on the HD350.

[u]Line out[/u]

The signal is a little quiet and could have benefitted from a line level control, much in the same vain as the DI out. My EA iAmp 500 has both features and is such a blessing when it comes to recording and running through a PA. But, most amps in the D-class market don't have this feature so I guess I am just being fussy!

[u]Shhhhhh[/u]

This amp is very quiet! The DI out is quiet, the cabs don't hiss as much as the HD350 for some reason...even the fan is quiet!

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[quote name='shizznit' timestamp='1326116687' post='1492459']
Now that I have spent a lot of time with the Reidmar I have noticed a few things which I initially didn't pick up on.

[u]DI[/u]

The output signal is a little hotter than it is on the HD350. I noticed it last week when I was doing some direct recording at home. Maybe this has been upgraded? Doesn't bother me much as I use my EA amp for all of my direct recording.
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This could be due to excited mids - see below...!

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[u]Mid range[/u]

The mid's on the Reidmar sound a bit more projected than other EBS amps, including the Fafner. There is definately a bit of difference there.
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Maybe to make the most out of those watch, there is a boost in the mids to fool the ear into thinking that the amp is cutting more and louder than it really is? Without comparing the two on a scope, I wouldn't like to do more than muse...

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As you said EBS_Freak, I did notice that I have to crank the 'Low' knob up one more notch than I normally would on the HD350.
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Yup, it wouldn't surprise me if they have been more agressive when it comes to shelving those lower frequencies. Of course, boosting them will put them back but there is likely to be a tradeoff when pushing the amp hard - maybe you sacrifice a bit of headroom by boosting the lows?

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This amp is very quiet! The DI out is quiet, the cabs don't hiss as much as the HD350 for some reason...even the fan is quiet!
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Can't really comment on the noise levels but as for the fans, there's not as much in the amp that needs cooling. If you check out the heat sinks and the fans in the HD350 and TD650 and the fact that these amps can run down to 2ohm, it's hardly surprising that more cooling is needed.

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