Adrenochrome Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Hi Guys, I'm looking for a [i]slight[/i] upgrade from my Ashdown MAG 300r (valve pre, and hopefully a little bit more power). At 4 ohms my current amp does 307 watts RMS and 500 peak - I know the Bugera for example quotes 550 watts peak (not much different). So, does anyone know if Hartke specs are [b]RMS[/b] or [b]peak[/b]? [I know that there are a lot of other considerations but this will help me ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiamPodmore Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Most amp manufaturers (Except a few, Bugera Nuke anyone?) quote RMS, Hartke included. Liam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenochrome Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 [quote name='LiamPodmore' timestamp='1321531818' post='1440195'] Most amp manufaturers (Except a few, Bugera Nuke anyone?) quote RMS, Hartke included. Liam [/quote] Cheers fella! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 A few more watts really isn't going to make an appreciable difference. Need to identify what is missing at current, and work from there. Usually it is the cab that is the limiting factor on volume, and 'lack of valves' is most cheaply remedied with hot glue and a wanted ad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenochrome Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1321532023' post='1440199'] A few more watts really isn't going to make an appreciable difference. Need to identify what is missing at current, and work from there. Usually it is the cab that is the limiting factor on volume, and 'lack of valves' is most cheaply remedied with hot glue and a wanted ad. [/quote] I play in a loud band in some [i]tiny[/i] pubs, so yes, lack of cab size is probably the main limiting factor - I sometimes only take my 2x10 which isn't very loud. I thought that a little bit more juice might help - I get the impression that it's the amp that's struggling rather them my cab farting when I just use my 2x10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 I doubt a more powerful amp will help. A fancy boutique 2x10" with relatively expensive and relatively high excursion woofers will struggle to handle more than 150W in the lows and the Ashdown woofers are likely to handle much less power before farting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 [quote name='Adrenochrome' timestamp='1321530749' post='1440173'] ....I'm looking for a [i]slight[/i] upgrade.... [/quote] [size=4]That's not going to be worth the expense and effort. [/size] [size=4]I use 2 112's in loud bands, 2 210's in very loud bands and either a 550 or 750 watt amp. I'm probably not that much louder than you, but getting a good sound is all about headroom. [/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenochrome Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Hmmm, food for thought. My options are fairly limited both in funds and how many/how big cabs I can take - at least I have very good PA support. Thanks for the input, it's much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 [quote name='Adrenochrome' timestamp='1321536425' post='1440276'] ....My options are fairly limited both in funds and how many/how big cabs I can take.... [/quote] [size=4]Yep. It's the real world out there! [/size] [size=4]You could probably improve your sound the most by using your current amp and getting a better, more sensitive cab to make the most of your watts. The Barefaced Compact has £100 off at the moment and would bury your 210 in a one for one shoot-out.[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) I agree. Get a new cab, having slightly more watts is not going to make a lot of difference to the volume. It's not just about the power- it's about how it puts that power down on the road. Edited November 17, 2011 by EdwardHimself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) I dunno, id see if i could at least try a Hartke LH500 before id buy a new cab. When i first got mine, I plugged it in to my old cab and the resulting sound was so loud and unexpected that I fell of my stool (I sit in front of the cab) after doing my usual opening strum.! Edited November 27, 2011 by daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='daz' timestamp='1322410162' post='1450493'] I dunno, id see if i could at least try a Hartke LH500 before id buy a new cab. When i first got mine, I plugged it in to my old cab and the resulting sound was so loud and unexpected that I fell of my stool (I sit in front of the cab) after doing my usual opening strum.! [/quote] Sounds like that scene in Back to The Future, Daz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenochrome Posted November 27, 2011 Author Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='daz' timestamp='1322410162' post='1450493'] I dunno, id see if i could at least try a Hartke LH500 before id buy a new cab. When i first got mine, I plugged it in to my old cab and the resulting sound was so loud and unexpected that I fell of my stool (I sit in front of the cab) after doing my usual opening strum.! [/quote] Almost! I got a HA3500 on ebay for a very good price, and it's really done a great job in the 2 gigs since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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