New Genz Shuttle amps/cabs

[Kiwi]

Fair enough.

I just disagree with comments on the lack of low end, particularly in a "bedroom playing" setting. There's plenty of low end oomph available at performance volumes and any lack could be down to a whole host of other things not just the amp.

[dave_bass5]

I know what you mean, I can't imagine any amp lacking low end in a bedroom situation, but in my very limited experience with different heads I can certainly hear differences in low end between different heads that EQ doesn't quite fix in some. Not a definciany, just a difference. I hated the low end of my GK1001RB, I felt it was thin and weedy but I know others dont.

Thank god we all have so many choices.

[dave_bass5]

Ed's video review is now up.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx9OigytbNw&list=UUranFvDA8I4qHg8GweBmDEA&index=1&feature=plcp[/media]

[Musicman20]

From my understanding, the Shuttle 3.0 and 6.0 have the High-Pass filter set so that the low end isn't 'deep' enough to damage the little Shuttle cabinets. Good idea to retain a healthy cab/combo (after all, they were marketed as a combo first and foremost) but obviously if a bass player in a 'fairly' loud band wanted to use the 6.0 with a larger cabinet, the HPF cannot be 'adjusted' as such, (you can click in the LF extension or boost or whatever they call it, but some think that doesn't do the same trick.) so you end up with what some class as a 'thinner' low end. No 'meat' to the tone. For a rock band, obviously this might cause problems. I rely on a full but tight low end, and I tend to cut through when needed with low mids/mid mids, and the higher registers are added more for my benefit if needed.

The Shuttlemax 6.0/12.0 and Shuttle 9.0 do not have this built in, the same with the newer Shuttle 9.2, Max 9.2 and Max 12.2 (and they have other revisions to them as well).

The Shuttle 6.2 has the revisions, AND it has the high pass filer/low end improvement. So, essentially, it keeps up with the LM3/F500/RH450 in terms of producing a full tone without eating wattage by boosting your EQ.

Think that makes sense...ish. If Genz are around (they have been before) no doubt they will help out.

[dbass]

Question is: Do I really need to upgrade my 12.0 to a 12.2 for the sake of a couple of upgrades? Are the upgrades really worth it as IMO I haven't heard a better amp live yet that's so versatile and light.

I think I shall stick to my 12.0 (and save pennies!)

[Musicman20]

[quote name='dbass' timestamp='1326128244' post='1492658']
Question is: Do I really need to upgrade my 12.0 to a 12.2 for the sake of a couple of upgrades? Are the upgrades really worth it as IMO I haven't heard a better amp live yet that's so versatile and light.

I think I shall stick to my 12.0 (and save pennies!)
[/quote]

Tough one. Problem is, as new products surface, the old ones drop value on the second hand market which is a PAIN!

[Kiwi]

No, honestly if your amp is working for you then stick with what works. Don't go changing just to keep on top of trends.

I'll say again. Nothing wrong with the low end of Genz Shuttles. Especially for small venues.

[Musicman20]

http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Genz_Benz_Heads.html

Well im chuffed to say the prices are quite reasonable, in fact they are the same as the 6.0/9.0 etc. The Shuttle 6.0 12T combo is very tempting at £999.

[sk8]

Seems they could have fixed all my issues with the 6.0!

[Musicman20]

Definitely. The Shuttle 2 cabinets are also quite a substantial upgrade to the Shuttle cabs. The 6.2 Combo at £999.00 is virtually the same price as the old one, with the significant upgrades. Tempting!

[mike257]

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1325963849' post='1490549']
I don't get what the excitement is all about.

The original 6.0 is a fantastic head and I'm a little disappointed by all the hype over the modifications. More lows aren't necessarily a good thing on a hollow stage either. The reason I chose the Shuttle over the Markbass LM1 is precisely because it had more focussed lows. The eq on the amp is used for compensating onstage acoustics, not for compensating any deficiencies in how the instrument sounds. So if I need more low end I'll turn it up on the bass.

However if the 6.2 means the original 6.0 is going to become cheaper on the used markets I'm not complaining as I've wanted another for quite some time.
[/quote]

I think you're in luck then! This seems to have wiped about a hundred quid off the second hand prices overnight - I was going to sell mine to fund guitar gear I need, and I'm going to have to sell my Ampeg instead now, sad times.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1326113428' post='1492383']
From my understanding, the Shuttle 3.0 and 6.0 have the High-Pass filter set so that the low end isn't 'deep' enough to damage the little Shuttle cabinets. Good idea to retain a healthy cab/combo (after all, they were marketed as a combo first and foremost) but obviously if a bass player in a 'fairly' loud band wanted to use the 6.0 with a larger cabinet, the HPF cannot be 'adjusted' as such, (you can click in the LF extension or boost or whatever they call it, but some think that doesn't do the same trick.) so you end up with what some class as a 'thinner' low end. No 'meat' to the tone. For a rock band, obviously this might cause problems. I rely on a full but tight low end, and I tend to cut through when needed with low mids/mid mids, and the higher registers are added more for my benefit if needed.
[/quote]

I use mine through an Ampeg 610HLF and have never found the low end lacking - play with the EQ pretty much flat, just a touch of low end boost on the bass itself, and it's face-melting!

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1325956048' post='1490390']
I want the Max 9.2. Don't really need cabs/combos like the 6.2 12T (although would never say no) but the Max 9.2 really does have everything I want.
[/quote]

Come on now Gareth, we've all seen the gear you go through, nothing has everything you want

[Musicman20]

[quote name='mike257' timestamp='1327367976' post='1510260']
I think you're in luck then! This seems to have wiped about a hundred quid off the second hand prices overnight - I was going to sell mine to fund guitar gear I need, and I'm going to have to sell my Ampeg instead now, sad times.



I use mine through an Ampeg 610HLF and have never found the low end lacking - play with the EQ pretty much flat, just a touch of low end boost on the bass itself, and it's face-melting!



Come on now Gareth, we've all seen the gear you go through, nothing has everything you want
[/quote]

It is a shame about the second hand market, I agree. The same happened when the RH450 was dropped in price when the RH750 came out.

Don't get me wrong, through the right cab, the 6.0 is a big sounding amp, and the 410HLF you have is probably has the biggest fattest low end out of any Ampeg cab. It's tuned for that big low end, so the Shuttle 6.0 will be a nice match.

I have been through some gear, but I've hardly sold a thing recently apart from unused strings and a duplicate pedal. I'll never be at the stage of buying new one month then selling it two weeks later after barely playing it. I am a bit greedy though, but I guess that comes with this website! I've slowed down considerably because other things (normal life) have taken over.

I was very tempted to pick up a 6.0/9.0 in the sale...still tempted to be honest.