Wolverinebass Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 London. Home of the cockney (I've always wanted to start off a post like that). Last year when Mrs Wolverine and I moved house one of the principal things on the menu (aside from a 3rd bedroom for baby Wolverine) was that I'd have an outside space where I could have rehearsals and record my own stuff. After much thought and planning and some very helpful advice from our very own 51m0n (a lovely man) we decided to crack on. Here, we have the site a few days after WW1 has commenced. [attachment=97634:IMAG0043.jpg] And here we are a few days later with most of the blockwork done. [attachment=97635:IMAG0061.jpg] Ultimately the size is about 5.7m x 6m. Naturally that will become somewhat smaller once the stud wall and double plasterboard is put in. Will post some more photos soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) I was bawn wivvin th' saaand of bow bews y'knaw me ol' china. (naaah joking lol) Mate, this is looking pretty good so far. The space doesn't sound too bad really. I assume though that you're going to have to sacrifice a bit of that space in order to set up nonparallel walls within to reduce standing wave build up and all that jazz? Is it going to be just the one room or 2? Edited January 20, 2012 by EdwardHimself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Excellent stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 [quote name='EdwardHimself' timestamp='1327056344' post='1505671'] I was bawn wivvin th' saaand of bow bews y'knaw me ol' china. (naaah joking lol) Mate, this is looking pretty good so far. The space doesn't sound too bad really. I assume though that you're going to have to sacrifice a bit of that space in order to set up nonparallel walls within to reduce standing wave build up and all that jazz? Is it going to be just the one room or 2? [/quote] Something like this:- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1327059496' post='1505771'] Something like this:- [/quote] That is what I'm talking about! You'll also need one of these: Edited January 20, 2012 by EdwardHimself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monckyman Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Sliddx can advise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSix Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Don't forget the Golden Rules... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted January 20, 2012 Author Share Posted January 20, 2012 Yeah, exactly like that. It'll be one room. At the moment, the roof struts are going on and hopefully the roof will be waterproof by Monday or Tuesday. More pics to come tomorrow. Incidentally, I only did the Cockney joke as I live in SE London and find that quote from the beginning of Dangermouse hilarious for some reason. I'm actually Scottish. However, I digress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) All you chaps go on about sound proofing I built my studio (30 square metres) at the bottom of my garden. No sound proofing and just a single skin brick shell. We play with the full band and by the time you get to the house, you can't really hear much. My misses says that you can't hear it in the house at all. Just lucky I guess? [attachment=97835:Studio.jpg] This is it Edited January 20, 2012 by Blademan_98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Blademan_98' timestamp='1327098004' post='1506556'] All you chaps go on about sound proofing I built my studio (30 square metres) at the bottom of my garden. No sound proofing and just a single skin brick shell. We play with the full band and by the time you get to the house, you can't really hear much. My misses says that you can't hear it in the house at all. Just lucky I guess? [attachment=97835:Studio.jpg] This is it [/quote] Well if you live somewhere where there aren't many houses around then you can just take full advantage of the inverse square law and not have to worry about noise leakage, but being in London is a different matter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 There is around 70 feet from studio to nearest house. I live in a town that is fairly built up but not to London standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Blademan_98' timestamp='1327149627' post='1506985'] There is around 70 feet from studio to nearest house. I live in a town that is fairly built up but not to London standards [/quote] 70 feet doesn't sound very built up to me anyway, surely a single skin brick building wouldn't have passed building regs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAY AGAINST THE MACHINE Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 This looks cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 Planning permission only. No need for regs as not a habitable building and not bigger than 30 square metres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Blademan_98' timestamp='1327158273' post='1507183'] Planning permission only. No need for regs as not a habitable building and not bigger than 30 square metres. [/quote] ok, I thought you may say as much. Looks pretty good anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 Okay then, so more stuff going on. Taken from the upstairs bedroom. [attachment=97865:IMAG0063.jpg] Most of the roof struts are on. Hopefully in the next week it'll be watertight and I can start getting the stud walls in. Blademan is quite lucky. In my case there is at least 50 feet between the building and the nearest house but I'm not trusting that everything will just dissapate. As much noise as I can reduce the better. So, it's double block skin, firedoors, stud walls with RWA45 and double acoustic plasterboard. Probably that in the ceiling too. The guy who's doing most of the internal and "handyman" type stuff thinks I'm going waaaay too far, but I didn't fancy the noise leaking and the council coming round or the leakage becoming a magnet for burglars. For anyone that's done this did anyone use resiliant bars on either the ceilings or walls? [url="http://buildingmaterials.co.uk/Resilient-Bar/p~1027~027_210_001-Resilient-Bar-x-3000.html?utm_source=GoogleBase&utm_medium=Product+Search"]http://buildingmater...=Product+Search[/url] My question is do they make that much difference? I'm struggling with lighting though. Naturally, downlighters are going to be a pain in terms of leakage, so does anyone have any suggestions? A few of my mates said uplighters on the walls but I think that might leave the middle of the room a bit too dim. Mrs Wolverine suggested spot lights on a bar. Something like below. [url="http://www.lightingstyles.co.uk/Kitchen/spotlights/black_chrome_4_bar_ceiling_spot_light.htm"]http://www.lightings..._spot_light.htm[/url] Truth be told, that's a blind spot for me. I never did really decide on lighting at all. All advice gratefully received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I remember there was a website I saw a couple of years back that specialised in acoustic products. They had special acoustic dampeners for downlighters. Might be worth a look? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) [quote name='EdwardHimself' timestamp='1327160979' post='1507240'] I remember there was a website I saw a couple of years back that specialised in acoustic products. They had special acoustic dampeners for downlighters. Might be worth a look? [/quote] I know exactly what you mean. The problem is that they're not cheap. About £10 a pop I think. Besides I'm not entirely convinced that they'll return the performance of the plasterboard to "within 1dB" of what it originally was as it states in the product info. I was hoping not to use them until I found something else or people that had used them before for first hand info. Edited January 21, 2012 by Wolverinebass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51m0n Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'd avoid any holes int he plasterboard you can., it wint help the target goal of a properly quiet exterior with the band going full tilt.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakenewmanbass Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) I used a layer of DPC membrane as a complete internal surround attached to the studs, after the rockwool went in just before the plasterboard went on, it creates an airtight effect and is very very effective. It was on the advice of a surveyor who lives round the corner, his son plays drums, his view is that if you prevent air movement you prevent sound leakage. I have to say I agree and feel like he saved me a fortune (the membrane was 25 quid) . My son plays drums and when he's going at it it's barely audible in the house, bear in mind that the garage is 1 metre from the house. There is a little leakage outside but certainly not enough that the neighbours can hear it. Compare and contrast with his tutor who soundproofed a shed with foam and thick absorbent rubber, that cost about 2k!! Edited January 22, 2012 by jakenewmanbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellyfish Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Just curious, how much is this costing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='ChristopherGilbert' timestamp='1327227614' post='1507917'] Just curious, how much is this costing? [/quote] I too would be interested in a ball park figure for costs. I built mine in 2007. My build (not including planning permission) was £4,000 total. The brickie only charged £80 a day / ten days = £800. The electrics cost £750. The rest of the work I did myself. I think your build looks really good. (I use down lighters plus a few wall lights too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='ChristopherGilbert' timestamp='1327227614' post='1507917'] Just curious, how much is this costing? [/quote] good question. My guess would be about £5-10 k sort of ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 I'd rather not say how much this is for now. Not until it's fully done. My builders might be reading this and they could come round tomorrow and suck teeth and say "that's gonna cost ya..." Let's just say that I'm appalling at DIY, so most of this is getting done by other people. Some of it for mate's rates, some not. Plus a major difference between mine and Blademan's is that mine is double skinned (albeit block which is cheaper than brick, but nevertheless it's still 2 layers). Also, Blademan's hasn't got any sound insulation in it. So you can make your own judgement on what he paid, plus take into account he very, very cleverly did most of it himself. And it was 5 years ago. Thanks for the advice on lighting chaps. I'm basically trying to figure out a way of making the minimum holes in the plasterboards. Before anyone suggests it, I won't be using strip lights as it'll give everyone headaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blademan_98 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Absolutely, I did mine 'on the cheap' and had to stick to the budget (it was all I had). Yours will be a lot better both in sound insulation and temperature control. Mine is really cold at this time of year and all my instruments stay indoors. My amps stay out there but thats all. I do a lot of DIY but if I did the build again, I would get a builder to do the foundations as it nearly killed me digging it out by hand! I am also thinking of putting in a second skin to help with winter usage. Are you having any heating installed? The whole thing looks really good and here's to the many rehearsals/recordings and hours of practice to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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