stacedabass Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Heads up on a new MXR fuzz, now on their website with video. Sounds kinds tonebender'ish! [url="http://www.jimdunlop.com/product/mxr-bass-fuzz-deluxe"]http://www.jimdunlop...ass-fuzz-deluxe[/url] Enjoy! :-) Quote
HazBeen Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Knowing how good their last couple of new releases are (Envelope Filter, Octaver, Compressor), this is bound to be pretty awesome. Quote
paul_5 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Oooh, dunno, I could just put a blend pot on my Russian Muff, but that's not quite the same is it.... Quote
leonshelley01 Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Very nice, might have to get one to replace the bass big muff. Quote
EskimoBassist Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Looks like a nice cheap (and space concious) way to enjoy the sound of a tonebender. I for one am excite. Quote
dudewheresmybass Posted January 18, 2012 Posted January 18, 2012 Some cool sounds there. It will be interesting to see what the price point will be considering the change of distribution too! Quote
1976fenderhead Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Meh. Sounds kinda disappointing to me. If you like the Tonebender get the SFX Micro Fuzz, I have it and it p*sses all over this. Quote
craigcapener Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 It looks pretty nice, but nothing to write home about. I wouldn't go trading or selling anything to go get one. Quote
Lenny B Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 Do many other fuzzes have a clean blend? That looks a useful option Quote
fragglefart Posted January 20, 2012 Posted January 20, 2012 That is one pretty convincing video. My little big muff just doesn't feel right... Quote
1976fenderhead Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Lenny B' timestamp='1327094798' post='1506512'] Do many other fuzzes have a clean blend? That looks a useful option [/quote] No, barely any fuzz has a clean blend, and judging by this video I think there's a reason for that: it just sounds odd. Clean + fuzz doesn't really work (that's my opinion). Quote
burno70 Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1327106293' post='1506647'] No, barely any fuzz has a clean blend, and judging by this video I think there's a reason for that: it just sounds odd. Clean + fuzz doesn't really work (that's my opinion). [/quote] That's not right - there's plenty of fuzzes out there these days with a clean blend, Iron Either, SM/BS, Wounded Paw, Prescription Electronics and Mallekko all do blended fuzz, and thats just off the top of my head. It's all a matter of opinion but blend makes fuzz well useful for bass players. Fuzz by nature can get lost in a live mix and blending clean signal into it can help maintain your presence - whilst still giving you a killer tone. Quote
1976fenderhead Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 (edited) [quote name='burno70' timestamp='1327140459' post='1506803'] That's not right - there's plenty of fuzzes out there these days with a clean blend, Iron Either, SM/BS, Wounded Paw, Prescription Electronics and Mallekko all do blended fuzz, and thats just off the top of my head. It's all a matter of opinion but blend makes fuzz well useful for bass players. Fuzz by nature can get lost in a live mix and blending clean signal into it can help maintain your presence - whilst still giving you a killer tone. [/quote] What percentage would you say of fuzzes in the world have a clean blend? I'd be surprised if it reaches 5% What you say of fuzz getting lost in the mix is true (that's why for example the guy at sfx added a mid boost switch to the micro fuzz) however I like to try to fix that with the tone knob or eq instead of blend, as the clean sound and the fuzzy sound always sound too separate, they don't mix (pun intended), unlike what happens with distortion and OD for example (to my ears of course). Fuzz mixed with clean always sounds to me like clean with some hairiness on the background. That's what this video sounded like. Edited January 21, 2012 by 1976fenderhead Quote
thodrik Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1327152295' post='1507042'] What percentage would you say of fuzzes in the world have a clean blend? I'd be surprised if it reaches 5% What you say of fuzz getting lost in the mix is true (that's why for example the guy at sfx added a mid boost switch to the micro fuzz) however I like to try to fix that with the tone knob or eq instead of blend, as the clean sound and the fuzzy sound always sound too separate, they don't mix (pun intended), unlike what happens with distortion and OD for example (to my ears of course). Fuzz mixed with clean always sounds to me like clean with some hairiness on the background. That's what this video sounded like. [/quote] I suppose I'm kind of similar. I usually find a clean blend to be a 'worst of both worlds' option, though I do admit that it can be done right. I just never got on with the one on the Boss bass OD. If I'm going to use fuzz, I will just go all out. Back to the topic, yeah it sounds fairly cool in places. I wouldn't mind trying one out and it should be fairly affordable. In general though I prefer a generally 'gritty' sound that still has definition to a half clean/half fuzzy. Quote
1976fenderhead Posted January 21, 2012 Posted January 21, 2012 It's also a bit frustrating in that video that all sounds have tone way up or way down... Somewhere in the middle would probably sound more natural without needing to blend clean in... Quote
Ghost_Bass Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='burno70' timestamp='1327140459' post='1506803'] That's not right - there's plenty of fuzzes out there these days with a clean blend, Iron Either, SM/BS, Wounded Paw, Prescription Electronics and Mallekko all do blended fuzz, and thats just off the top of my head. It's all a matter of opinion but blend makes fuzz well useful for bass players. Fuzz by nature can get lost in a live mix and blending clean signal into it can help maintain your presence - whilst still giving you a killer tone. [/quote] By my hands passed Boss OBD-3, Markbass Distorsore, Fultone Bass Drive Mosfet, EHX Bass Big Muff and now i'm settling with a Wren&Cuff Pickle Pie B, all with blend controls. From my list the most useless must be the Boss and the best is the Pickle Pie, it really blends the fuzz with the clean without sounding that the clean just sits on top of the fuzz. As to the MXR i realy enjoyed the sound of it, i'll give it a good listen in my house this evening and play a bit with the PPB to see wich tone i like best, who know's i end up swapping! Quote
steve-soar Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1327106293' post='1506647'] No, barely any fuzz has a clean blend, and judging by this video I think there's a reason for that: it just sounds odd. Clean + fuzz doesn't really work (that's my opinion). [/quote]My B.assmaster by Malekko has bass and fuzz gains. Seperate, and it sounds very fine. Quote
1976fenderhead Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1327407507' post='1510610'] By my hands passed Boss OBD-3, Markbass Distorsore, Fultone Bass Drive Mosfet, EHX Bass Big Muff and now i'm settling with a Wren&Cuff Pickle Pie B, all with blend controls. From my list the most useless must be the Boss and the best is the Pickle Pie, it really blends the fuzz with the clean without sounding that the clean just sits on top of the fuzz. As to the MXR i realy enjoyed the sound of it, i'll give it a good listen in my house this evening and play a bit with the PPB to see wich tone i like best, who know's i end up swapping! [/quote] Of the ones you mentioned, only the Big Muff and and the Pickle Pie are fuzz. Quote
Ghost_Bass Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1327413372' post='1510772'] Of the ones you mentioned, only the Big Muff and and the Pickle Pie are fuzz. [/quote] Not really, if setup properly the OD pedals i've mentioned were able to enter the fuzz realm! Quote
I am not excane Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1327152295' post='1507042'] Fuzz mixed with clean always sounds to me like clean with some hairiness on the background. That's what this video sounded like. [/quote] Correct, that's exactly what it's supposed to sound like.... SOLO. Now, you mix in guitars, drums, keyboard, etc. and you get the balls from the fuzz but still retain the low/ low-mid fundamental to not get obliterated. Quote
1976fenderhead Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='I am not excane' timestamp='1327886057' post='1518417'] Correct, that's exactly what it's supposed to sound like.... SOLO. Now, you mix in guitars, drums, keyboard, etc. and you get the balls from the fuzz but still retain the low/ low-mid fundamental to not get obliterated. [/quote] Well, not really, because if the low frequencies are largely unaffected and all you're getting is a bit of distorted high freqs. added, when you add the guitar in the same freq. area, it will obliterate the fuzz and you'll only hear the clean bass. If however you have a good fuzz affecting all frequencies from top to bottom or close to it (like for example an old Russian Muff or a Tonebender) you'll retain bass and low mid freqs., they'll be distorted and you'll be able to hear that distortion because you won't have a loud instrument covering those freqs. Quote
I am not excane Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1327886698' post='1518421'] Well, not really, because if the low frequencies are largely unaffected and all you're getting is a bit of distorted high freqs. added, when you add the guitar in the same freq. area, it will obliterate the fuzz and you'll only hear the clean bass. If however you have a good fuzz affecting all frequencies from top to bottom or close to it (like for example an old Russian Muff or a Tonebender) you'll retain bass and low mid freqs., they'll be distorted and you'll be able to hear that distortion because you won't have a loud instrument covering those freqs. [/quote] That's just it, what you're saying is true but leaving out a key factor: The clean blend allows you to bring in ANY frequency you wish, either from your clean bass, EQ, or any other effect before the fuzz. What I love to do is have an overdrive for a nice main tone, then kick on the fuzz (with a clean blend) for heavier parts. I put an emphasis on ALL the frequencies (especially low and mid) with my overdrive so that comes through with fuzz on top of it. It's not an exact science, I'm just saying what has worked for me. Yes, a GOOD fuzz ("good" being the key word) will work too but I like having a true clean blend for more complex tones. Quote
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