nickhuge Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Hi All I'm geting a Markbass Traveller 1x15 and being a dumb guitarist clueless with bass I have been told I am being naive thinking for bigger shows I can pair it with Markbass 4x10 (even though on the markbass site it says its been redesigned so it stacks with the standard cabs). Is there anything other than another matching cab I can pair it up with? Perhaps a 2x10 102P? What's best? Hope you can help ps, it's being fed by an ampeg SVT III Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='nickhuge' timestamp='1327593196' post='1513924'] Hi All I'm geting a Markbass Traveller 1x15 and being a dumb guitarist clueless with bass I have been told I am being naive thinking for bigger shows I can pair it with Markbass 4x10 (even though on the markbass site it says its been redesigned so it stacks with the standard cabs). Is there anything other than another matching cab I can pair it up with? Perhaps a 2x10 102P? What's best? Hope you can help ps, it's being fed by an ampeg SVT III Pro [/quote]You can pair it with anything so long as the amp will handle the impedance load. Most of the time you'll get best results with another identical speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcroisdale Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 You causing bother on here as well Nick? If you won't listen to me, maybe you'll listen to Mr. Fitzmaurice!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickhuge Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Haha hush Jim. I just want to hear other people's opinions :op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickhuge Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 So the Mark bass is as below IMPEDANCE 8 ohms SPEAKER SIZE 1x15 in. TWEETER piezo BASS PORT rear POWER HANDLING 400W RMS (AES Standard) CROSSOVER FREQUENCY 3.5 kHz FREQUENCY RESPONSE 40 Hz to 18 kHz SENSITIVITY 100 dB SPL WEIGHT 44.75 lbs / 20.3 kg HEIGHT 18.3 in. / 46.4 cm WIDTH 23.39 in. / 59.4 cm DEPTH 17.05 in. / 43.3 cm The Ampeg is rated at 500W. What do I need to get in terms of specs for a suitable pairing? Another 8ohm, but what power handling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Putting out the full 500 watts, you`ll get 250 to each cab. So whichever cab you get, so long as it handles 250 watts you get you should be fine - prob best to not use it on it`s own though, think the 3PRO knocks out about 350ish at 8 ohms.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [size=4]Why are you getting the Traveller 15? I'd start with the 410 and add a 210 to that if you need extra volume.[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcroisdale Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I would have thought that as well as power handling, you'd want to know the Vd of each cab, or one might bottom out before the other. If only manufacturers (Barefaced aside) quoted such figures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='nickhuge' timestamp='1327597457' post='1514021'] The Ampeg is rated at 500W. What do I need to get in terms of specs for a suitable pairing? Another 8ohm, but what power handling? [/quote]Power ratings are meaningless. What matters is impedance, displacement and phase response. For equal power into both cabs they must be the same impedance. For equal ability to use that power both cabs must have the same driver displacement. For the same phase response they must be identical drivers. With identical cabs you get all of the above, with mis-matched cabs the best you're likley to realize is equal impedance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickhuge Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 I have to get a small cab as I have a tiny back seat where the seats don't go down (bettle cabriolet). I also have to fit in the bass and ampeg and sometimes a girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickhuge Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1327597757' post='1514025'] Putting out the full 500 watts, you`ll get 250 to each cab. So whichever cab you get, so long as it handles 250 watts you get you should be fine - prob best to not use it on it`s own though, think the 3PRO knocks out about 350ish at 8 ohms.. [/quote] Ah I only have this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickhuge Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Also I'll be going through a sansamp into the PA at all my shows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickhuge Posted January 26, 2012 Author Share Posted January 26, 2012 Its interesting that on the markbass site it says "This cabinet was redesigned in Spring 2007, and now stacks perfectly with all Standard series cabinets." If it's a bad idea, why redesign it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1327598115' post='1514030'] [size=4]Why are you getting the Traveller 15? I'd start with the 410 and add a 210 to that if you need extra volume.[/size] [/quote] On this I kinda agree. I'd get to a shoppe & try out some cabs & buy 2 identical ones (if you can afford it). So if you go for the 15, get another 15. If you go for the 2x10, get another 2x10. & so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Vincent Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Kick the girl out and get the only proper cab for an SVT.You need an 8 x 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1327597757' post='1514025'] Putting out the full 500 watts, you`ll get 250 to each cab. So whichever cab you get, so long as it handles 250 watts you get you should be fine - prob best to not use it on it`s own though, think the 3PRO knocks out about 350ish at 8 ohms.. [/quote] [quote name='nickhuge' timestamp='1327599676' post='1514062'] Ah I only have this. [/quote] So with one 8 Ohm cab you`ll get the 350 watts, but two 8 ohm cabs together will get you the full 500 watts, as the amp knocks out 500 at 4 ohms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 [quote name='nickhuge' timestamp='1327600588' post='1514083'] Its interesting that on the markbass site it says "This cabinet was redesigned in Spring 2007, and now stacks perfectly with all Standard series cabinets." If it's a bad idea, why redesign it? [/quote]Manufacturers build what sells, what sells is cabs sized so that they stack nice and pretty. How they sound together is not a consideration. Looks is what sells cabs. As for the issue of watts: moot. Watts have very little to do with how loud a rig will go. Why is nicely spelled out at the Barefaced Bass site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monckyman Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Many many bassists are very happy with the sound they get from mixing 10s and 15s. However, if you are buying new, you may as well go with the orthodox view that same size drivers are best. A 410 and a 210 will give you great flexibility between a 210,410 and a 610 for all size venues and car boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 You are using a Sansamp through the PA? If so the only real function of the cab(s) you are buying is for you and possibly the rest of the band to hear the bass. The audience will hear you through the PA. If you have decent monitors you don't need a bass amp at all strictly speaking. In fact the bass amp/speaker is your monitor. Why do you want a second cab? If the ratings are right (big if) then this one cab will go to just about 126dB (probably excursion limited at the very bottom end) more than enough to drown out the drums or to damage your hearing. Even with 40dB dynamic range you can maintain an average sound level of well over 100dB. One speaker will be more than enough and if you spend more on it because you are saving on a second cab you will be able to major on quality rather than quantity and have a better sound. This solves your car problem, you can take the girl and her boyfriend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickhuge Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 [quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1327613353' post='1514334'] Many many bassists are very happy with the sound they get from mixing 10s and 15s. However, if you are buying new, you may as well go with the orthodox view that same size drivers are best. A 410 and a 210 will give you great flexibility between a 210,410 and a 610 for all size venues and car boots. [/quote] Wish I'd got the 2x10 now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 If you've already got the 15, get another 15. If you're not going through the PA, then more of your audience will hear you than they would a 2x10+4x10 config. Don't get sucked in to the nonsense that 15's have no top end. Phil Starr gives a good point if you use PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monckyman Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Agreed with above. Even if you have the traveller in your posession, you can still send it back and go for a 210 IF you decide you want to. I reckon you`ll like the 15. FYI I use a 410 and a115 together (heretic, burn him!)and it sounds excellent in my opinion. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 [size=4]You can be purist or practical. Most of the successful players and manufacturers are practical. [/size] [size=4]I believe manufacturers do care about the sound of their equipment (that's how they plan to sell it) and cab combinations are more forgiving than you'd be led to believe by some. For years players have successfully mixed speaker sizes.[/size] [size=4]Don't worry if you already have the 151P, you haven't bought a turkey. You can add the 102P, another 151P or just use the 151P on its own. [/size] [size=4]I don't get PA support and I gigged in some loud bands with just a Mesa Boogie 115. 1 400 watt cab is fine in most situations and as this is just your personal monitor you only need another cab for show.[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Yep, although many say speaker sizes shouldn`t be mixed, the best set-ups I`ve ever played through are my current Schroeder cab, which has 2x10s & 1x12, and a tweeter. Secondly, my Barefaced Compact (1x15) and Midget (1x12). I`ve also used some great 210 & 115 stacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickhuge Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Thanks so much guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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