Dropzone Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Hi Gang I really like the look of the Thumpinator but we tune to B flat. Would this kill my low note? Ta Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 [size=4]I asked this in another thread but didn't get a reply. I'd also be interested to know if any 5 string players use the Thumpinator and what it does to the sound of the low B.[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Bumping for interest!Though I thought it was only real sub-bass it knocked out, and frequencies around a low B would be fine. It would be quite surprising if that wasn't taken into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I use the Thumpinator with a Wal Mk.II and a Status Streamline, both 34" scale 5-string. There is no "loss" of any sound or feeling, just a slightly tighter, cleaner tone to all the strings. The effect is subtle, but it's there. Chris, feel free to pop round and try mine if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simwells Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I'd be surprised if you'd be able to hear the difference, from what I've read the majority of basses won't be producing the fundamental of the low B or lower anyway and our ears just fill in the missing frequencies from our expectations like on a telephone. Do your cabs even go that low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 [size=4]Tweeters go higher than basses can go but they are supposed to add "something" to the top end of the sound, I've seen it described as "air". [/size] [size=4]I wondered if the sub frequencies even though you can't hear them, add anything to the feel, depth or power of the low notes.[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 they probably do but it's probably insignificant and pointless at a live gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simwells Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 With sub frequencies you'll always be able to feel them even if you can't hear them but it is unlikely that your set up would be capable of producing/reproducing these frequencies anyway. Personally I'd say that the brain is too clever to ever notice the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dropzone Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 I must admit that there is a load of wallow at B flat. From what I can recall the Tumpinator takes everything below B away. I have been told that I have the loudest bass sound some have ever heard or felt, so I have backed off a little. I suppose it is bass you feel as much as you hear ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalMan Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Whilst I don't have a Thumpinator, the Genz Benz amps have a similar system built in (one of the things I checked with Mr Benz before I bought as I was considering a Thumpinator at the time). We tune down a semitone and it has no noticable effect on the sound, just a solid low B/Bb. As I understand it what both do is filter the ultra low harmonics that you cannot hear anyway, but that lead to big speaker excursions expending a lot of energy to no audible effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 How about a low A??! Seriously though with such a low tuning I HAVE actually run out of headroom before ... Wondering if I'd benefit from one of these... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I always have the bottom slider on my EQ all the way down, which I think is 40Hz, and I play plenty of low B flats which sound nice and fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG Flatline Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Chances are your cabs wouldn't reproduce the fundamental anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dropzone Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 Have tried playing Psychosocial in low A. End up having to play it an octave up as it is like wallowing through a swimmingpool full of mud. I am hoping a thumpinator will resolve this ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherairsoft Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 As TG Flatline has pointed out - If you are playing that low and want it to sound 'full' you need a cab that will reproduce it correctly rather. The thumpinator 'may' smooth out the subsonic mud a little, but if the cab doesn't run that low, it doesn't run that low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 My Markbass cab enjoys low A.... ...I love how every thread like this turns into a "No mate, you need to buy ALL THIS STUFF!" thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawrenceH Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1327955551' post='1519509'] My Markbass cab enjoys low A.... [/quote] Then it definitely isn't seeing, and you're not hearing, a huge amount of fundamental (unsurprisingly). Though I think the MB are good cabs, there is no way one of their 410s can produce much down there at angry volume. I think the F1 preamp already has a modest amount of subsonic roll-off, but an additional, steeper low-pass filter wouldn't hurt at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 [quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1327956073' post='1519532'] Then it definitely isn't seeing, and you're not hearing, a huge amount of fundamental (unsurprisingly). Though I think the MB are good cabs, there is no way one of their 410s can produce much down there at angry volume. I think the F1 preamp already has a modest amount of subsonic roll-off, but an additional, steeper low-pass filter wouldn't hurt at all. [/quote] Definitely, they advertise it going down to 30Hz before the standard rolloff etc etc... The low A used to be the loudest thing before I started using compression to tame it too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dropzone Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 What's compression. I have a low pass filter on my Jeff Berlin. Does this work like a thumpinator. I am also using a mk1 barefaced compact and have been complimented on how low I can go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) What is compression? Read this: [url="http://www.ovnilab.com/articles/howto.shtml"]http://www.ovnilab.c...les/howto.shtml[/url] And the low pass filter on your amp does the exact opposite of the high pass filter in the Thumpinator. Edited January 31, 2012 by dannybuoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawrenceH Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 [quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1327956888' post='1519558'] Definitely, they advertise it going down to 30Hz before the standard rolloff etc etc... [/quote] It doesn't even go down that low before it starts rolling off, I'd be amazed if they are tuned much below 45Hz. 30Hz is most likely -10dB at most. Oh I should edit my post for the typo, obv meant hi-pass filter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilmour Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 There's an extensive thread and review of these over on Finnbass http://finnbass.com/showthread.php?t=7991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dropzone Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Useful review that. I think I will end up getting one next time I am a little flush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG Flatline Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 [quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1327956888' post='1519558'] Definitely, they advertise it going down to 30Hz before the standard rolloff etc etc... The low A used to be the loudest thing before I started using compression to tame it too! [/quote] Marketing, or "lies" as it is also known, is something to take with a pinch of salt. If Mark Bass cabs go down that low then I will eat my hat. That's nothing against Mark Bass by the way. What you'll be hearing in the "loudness" of the low A won't be the fundamental anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 [size=4]OK, nevermind the cab stuff, other than Happy Jack, has anyone else first hand experience of a 5 string bass through a Thumpinator? [/size] [size=4]Did it mess with the low B or the low end generally?[/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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