discreet Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) [quote name='kerley' timestamp='1328617613' post='1529981'] And yes, buying on price and quality does not equal capitalism. [/quote] Buying (or selling) anything at all regardless of price, quality or for any other reason in this country is to act within a capitalist system. Whether more or less profit is made is irrelevant. We don't live in a classless, moneyless revolutionary socialist society based on common ownership of the means of production! Or we certainly didn't last time I looked. Edited February 7, 2012 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerley Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Not sure what acting in a capitalist system has to do with it. If I ask my neighbour to make me something, the more time he spends making it makes it 'cost' more. Whether that is a monetary cost, a cost for goods in return or just to show how much he loves me* *I don't think my neighbour does love me as we haven't even really spoken but if he ever makes me anything I will be able to gauge it and let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierreganseman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 this topic appears every month or more... at the end of the day... they still have a 18 month waiting list.... and sell out all of their "standard models" within days... so there must be something right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 I regret starting this.... lol well, Mr Pierre, you may be right in saying that they appear every month or so, but it be people like you that reply to them plus.... that lego bass is awesome! I want! Many opinions are floated in topics like these, so I think that almost validates their existence. Just to be a big hairy hypocrite, If I had money pouring out of my ears, I'd probably have a fodera made for me... a buckeye burl emperor 7 string would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soliloquy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 How much are new Fender or Musicman basses ? They're mass produced, Fodera are hand made. How long does it take to construct a Musicman Stingray bass compared to a Fodera Matt Garrison ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='binky_bass' timestamp='1328627786' post='1530247'] Just to be a big hairy hypocrite, If I had money pouring out of my ears, I'd probably have a fodera made for me... a buckeye burl emperor 7 string would be nice. [/quote] I don't think that would make you a hypocrite though, because if you had and excess of money then you wouldn't think of a Fodera as expensive. It's all relative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerley Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 It is a good point though. If you had the money to spare you would buy one so the question to ask is why? The answer tells you why others would buy one, why there is a waiting list etc,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Trouble with internet forums is that, unlike real life, because person A and person B have a discussion in January, person C and D can't have it again un February Personally, I think there is an element of 'mid-life crisis' spending in this as well. Most Harley owners are not hard core bikers but middle aged blokes with more money than sense. The kids have left home, the income is as high as its ever been so why not? A kind of reward for all those years of denial!! I would have one (an AJ Presentation)in a shot all things being equal but it will be a long time before I have £14-16K to spend on a bass. I struggle to see that most of the folk who have these basses are pros as most of the pros I know could not afford these prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molan Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Uh oh - better watch out for the Harley riders coming after you Bilbo I was a member of a Harley club in the UK for many years and I've never known so many people put so many miles on their bikes in all weathers. In my experience the riders of Honda Fireblades and Ducati sportsbikes are more likely to be 'fair weather' bikers than the Harley brigade. Of course this isn't to say that quite a lot of all bikers fall into the higher income, middle aged bracket. After all, look at me - a 52 year old, twin Fodera owner plus a BMW K1200GT, Aprilia RSVR 1,000 Factory & a Harley mild custom sitting in the garage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molan Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='kerley' timestamp='1328612220' post='1529834'] Although the materials of the Fodera presumably cost more than a mass produced bass isn't most of the cost in labour. No doubt Fodera could reduce costs by [b]not being based where they are[/b] and also cutback some time in areas which may not be noticed by many. [/quote] Next time I speak to Jason or Joey, my main two contacts at Fodera, I'll let them know that, now they are more successful, they should give up their fancy New Jersey adresses (where they've lived for about 30 years+) and consider moving to the wilds of Nebraska so they can reduce their prices to the greater benefit of the bass buying / playing public. I'm sure they'll be most receptive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) [quote name='molan' timestamp='1328630871' post='1530340'] Uh oh - better watch out for the Harley riders coming after you Bilbo I was a member of a Harley club in the UK for many years and I've never known so many people put so many miles on their bikes in all weathers. In my experience the riders of Honda Fireblades and Ducati sportsbikes are more likely to be 'fair weather' bikers than the Harley brigade. Of course this isn't to say that quite a lot of all bikers fall into the higher income, middle aged bracket. After all, look at me - a 52 year old, twin Fodera owner plus a BMW K1200GT, Aprilia RSVR 1,000 Factory & a Harley mild custom sitting in the garage [/quote] 3 bikes sitting in the garage? You don't have much luck... get the mechanic to work on them right away... Twin Fodera? I never knew they made a model with two necks... Edited February 7, 2012 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molan Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1328631227' post='1530349'] 3 bikes sitting in the garage? You don't have much luck... get the mechanic to work on them right away... [/quote] Well - I know the Beemer won't start because it hasn't moved recently & the Aprilia can temperamental, but the good old lump of American iron always starts first time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerley Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='molan' timestamp='1328631128' post='1530347'] Next time I speak to Jason or Joey, my main two contacts at Fodera, I'll let them know that, now they are more successful, they should give up their fancy New Jersey adresses (where they've lived for about 30 years+) and consider moving to the wilds of Nebraska so they can reduce their prices to the greater benefit of the bass buying / playing public. I'm sure they'll be most receptive [/quote] I'm sure they will :-) The point here is that the basses they make will be exactly the same wherever they choose to be based. They happen to be based in one of the most expensive places (in spectrum of whole world) so have to pay the wages, premises and everything else that goes with that while at the same time making no difference at all to the end product. To me that is an extra expense that does not have any positive factors to it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The trouble with men in the mid life crisis phase is you can't tell them. Like bigots, they cannot but see themselves as reasonable people, unaffected by such things. What tattoo have you got, molan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer of the Bass Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [url="http://www.hatsandcaps.co.uk/Borsalino-Beaver-Fur-Fedora-P130305/"]http://www.hatsandcaps.co.uk/Borsalino-Beaver-Fur-Fedora-P130305/[/url] £356 for a hat? Definitely too expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) People keep going on about Fodera's expensive NYC location as though they were slap bang in the middle of downtown Manhattan, when in fact they are in Brooklyn, and not even in the cool/fashionable part like Sadowsky are... Edited February 7, 2012 by BigRedX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='Bilbo' timestamp='1328632016' post='1530370'] The trouble with men in the mid life crisis phase is you can't tell them. Like bigots, they cannot but see themselves as reasonable people, unaffected by such things. [/quote] To paraphrase an old joke about Yorkshiremen; you can always tell a man having a mid-life crisis but you can't tell him much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Their hand made strings seem quite reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soliloquy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) The most expensive bass I've ever seen was the Dingwall at Bass direct. That was a tad under £8.000.00. It wasn't even new either. You could buy a couple of Fodera basses for that. I'd say that Fodera basses were probably more time consuming to make too. http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Prima_A_Walnut.html Orchestral bassists pay upwards of £20,000.00 for their instruments. How come no one says anything about the cost of professional double basses ? Edited February 7, 2012 by Soliloquy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think people gleem over the point of: Where the extra money goes? not if it's worth it or not. The answer for the high end stuff I don't have but if the geographics of higher wages etc is what one of them then that is a sucky reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 To all the people who are complaining about the price of things: how happy would you be if I said - with no knowledge of what you do and what it entails - that I didn't think the work you do isn't worth the salary you receive? I'd wager you wouldn't be terribly happy with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1328636021' post='1530468'] People keep going on about Fodera's expensive NYC location as though they were slap bang in the middle of downtown Manhattan, when in fact they are in Brooklyn, and not even in the cool/fashionable part like Sadowsky are... [/quote] To be honest, in the visit vids on Youtube, its not that nice an area! I was quite shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1328646171' post='1530688'] To all the people who are complaining about the price of things: how happy would you be if I said - with no knowledge of what you do and what it entails - that I didn't think the work you do isn't worth the salary you receive? I'd wager you wouldn't be terribly happy with me. [/quote] You are right it would grind my gears. It does onm a daily basis, when folks think 55p is too much for a cup of tea. By all means, go to town and pay £3 parking for an hour, so then we can charge you £2.90 for the same cup of tea but in a different part of the city. Anyway I digress. You put it as though the question is rude, however if someone puts something on the market for critique with a certain price tag I expect them to be able to justify the price tag. Where I work I have to be able to answer all manner of questions that are about certain thing's price. We charge an extra 12p to butter a sandwhich. May seem outrageous, but the butter doesn't appear by magic for free, and it doesn't jump onto the bread either. Anyway on point, if I can get another bass that performs just as well if not better (all in my own opinion of course) for half the price, am I not allowed to ask politely where the difference goes, incase it may offend someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerley Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1328646171' post='1530688'] To all the people who are complaining about the price of things: how happy would you be if I said - with no knowledge of what you do and what it entails - that I didn't think the work you do isn't worth the salary you receive? I'd wager you wouldn't be terribly happy with me. [/quote] I don't even think the work I do is worth the salary I get so you will not offend me! Anyway, that is not the point. Nobody is questioning whether they are worth it, I would imagine they are actually underpaid for what they do. Calculate the number of hours taken against the price a Fodera sells for (taking away shops profit margins, shipping, advertising etc,.) and I would guess the hourly rate is not great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 [quote name='molan' timestamp='1328630871' post='1530340']After all, look at me - a 52 year old, twin Fodera owner plus a BMW K1200GT, Aprilia RSVR 1,000 Factory & a Harley mild custom sitting in the garage [/quote] I think the "look at me" comment speaks for itself... However, that is just petty jealousy on my part talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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