bass12345 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Im sure this has been up here time and time again. But im going to ask anyway! How do greats such as Victor Wooten / Marcus Miller create such great grooves ? I mean they have their own tracklists and no 2 tracks are identical in terms of groove. When you ask them, e.g. interviews its always 'You gotta listen to everything'. I know you can't listen to everything in a week but do you think it works, or even beneficial ? I'd love some feedback on this and your opinions. Share what you want ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 It's all in the mind But there is commonality in what most people react to positively in terms of 'groove' I defy anyone to quantify it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) [quote name='bass12345' timestamp='1328872769' post='1533996'] ...its always 'You gotta listen to everything'. [/quote] I think what they mean is, 'you gotta listen to every style', as there is groove in jazz, funk, soul, rock, classical, folk, you name it, it all has a contribution to make towards your personal groove thang. Dog. Edited February 10, 2012 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass12345 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 Yeah I understand the different styles of music. It's just me being impatient and hoping it will sink in Quick ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='bass12345' timestamp='1328873129' post='1534010'] It's just me being impatient and hoping it will sink in Quick ! [/quote] You Can't Force The Funk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass12345 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1328873440' post='1534022'] You Can't Force The Funk! [/quote] Well Said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanovw Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Dont think, feeeeeeeeeel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass12345 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 Then what about solo'ing ? How would you go about it - feel the notes or keep that 'Ive gotta use this scale' mindset ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='bass12345' timestamp='1328873827' post='1534040'] Then what about solo'ing? [/quote] I leave that kind of thing to the musicians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass12345 Posted February 10, 2012 Author Share Posted February 10, 2012 But ... What If You Were Forced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanovw Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Try stuff out. Whats the worst that could happen? Our guitarist tries stuff out all the time. Sometimes its great, sometimes its awful. He is a very competant guitarist, jazz player and all that. No one says anything in rehearsals. Thats what they are for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='bass12345' timestamp='1328874314' post='1534057'] But... What If You Were Forced [/quote] I already told you... You Can't Force The Funk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinyd Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 In my (very) humble opinion, good funk playing is about feeling all the different rhythmic choices that are there but only playing a fraction of them. So you need to be able to play the more syncopated beats in each bar at will....but for your actual basslines hit them sparingly. Of course, like everything in music, there are plenty of exceptions to this, but it's a good place to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomE Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='bass12345' timestamp='1328873827' post='1534040'] Then what about solo'ing ? How would you go about it - feel the notes or keep that 'Ive gotta use this scale' mindset ? [/quote] Let the space do the work. Like football they say let the ball do the work. Some of the funkiest things are in the silence between the notes. Soloing! Damn, just get a groove going first. If you really must solo start simple - maybe with the chord tones or key notes from the melody and develop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeBrownBass Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) As important as listening is to create this magical word 'groove', there are things these guys are thinking about or started thinking about. There's Technique choice & ability, theres no point in hearing the notes in your head and not having the technical ability to play them. (i'm not talking about double thumbing a million notes) Theres feel or what VW likes to call emotion. Dynamics, tone, rhythm, space, phrasing, note choice, articulation (note length, accents, attack etc), dissonance, displacement etc... You can see where i'm going. To say that its all listening & feel is nonsense. Even if your not consciously thinking about the things above, its something that your minds doing to create the 'groove' your playing. The way to learn all this is different for everyone & theres no set method. I believe no one thing i've mentioned above is more important than the other, they are all interweaved to give listeners what the interoperate as groove. Edited February 10, 2012 by JakeBrownBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverBlackman Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 i would say its simply; time feel, articulation, phrasing and confidence. All things that can be practised. Time feel: Practice different rhythms to a metronome or clave. Articulation: Whatever your playing, try playing the notes soft and hard Phrasing: Listen to lots of music and attempt to replicate it, transcribing is often used for this. Confidence: Ask people to tell you how good you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len_derby Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='BottomE' timestamp='1328885911' post='1534373'] Soloing! Damn, just get a groove going first. If you really must solo start simple - maybe with the chord tones or key notes from the melody and develop it. [/quote] Agreed. The best example I know of this in practise is on the Donny Hathaway 'Live' album. Willie Weeks (superb throughout) takes a bass solo on the last track. He starts really simply, playing a basic groove and builds it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='BottomE' timestamp='1328885911' post='1534373'] Let the space do the work. Like football they say let the ball do the work. [/quote] Why do they pay those vulgar badly dressed aresoles so much money then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='bass12345' timestamp='1328872769' post='1533996'] Im sure this has been up here time and time again. But im going to ask anyway! How do greats such as Victor Wooten / Marcus Miller create such great grooves ? I mean they have their own tracklists and no 2 tracks are identical in terms of groove. When you ask them, e.g. interviews its always 'You gotta listen to everything'. I know you can't listen to everything in a week but do you think it works, or even beneficial ? I'd love some feedback on this and your opinions. Share what you want ! [/quote] What is your FAVOURITE piece of music at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomE Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 [quote name='Len_derby' timestamp='1328888738' post='1534423'] Agreed. The best example I know of this in practise is on the Donny Hathaway 'Live' album. Willie Weeks (superb throughout) takes a bass solo on the last track. He starts really simply, playing a basic groove and builds it from there. [/quote] What a great example. Its also really memorable, melodic with a slavish dedication to the groove. Its almost not a solo - just variations of a great bassline. The drummer plays his part too. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YWW8j6ICTU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YWW8j6ICTU[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Academy Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Victor has been playing since he was three. Marcus has played on a trillion sessions since his teens. Practice playing in time, listen to a lot of music. Take your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urb Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Here are some ideas to get you started - from 3.20 onwards is just great the tune is called 'Sex In A Pan' at the end... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suaH-NJm12U[/media] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime_BASS Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1328874219' post='1534053'] I leave that kind of thing to the musicians. [/quote] I leave that to the egos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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