sykilz Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Thanks Neepheid, I`m just seeing if I can afford to keep the Peavey 450 tour for big gigs and use a small light weight head for practice/small gigs, but in my heart ( and my nerve trapped back ) I know I really want a decent powered little amp at a reasonable price,this Redsub seems to fit the bill,I was also considering the Ampeg PF500, which I can save for a bit and get. Both my bands are stupidly loud, both hard rock so subtlety is not really a factor, but pure grunt is!!! When i had my Hartke 3500 I never used to get above 3 or 4 on the volume, whereas the Peavey i need on 5 or 6, and it weighs a ton too!!! Thanks for your info, much appreciated, will have to carefully consider now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 FWIW, after about six months of regular gigging with my TC RH450, I pulled the head out of my Promethean and used it at a few gigs just to see how it compared. It sounded - IMO - far, far better. It was still warm, but had a natural unforced clarity the TC lacked. The TC wasn't long for this world after that. Assuming the Harley Benton and RedSub are much of a muchness with the Promethean, they're absolute bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbass67 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 I own the Harley Benton BA500h and have been very happy with it. Done loads of gigs, even ran it pretty much flat out in a very big open barn into my Barefaced Midget with no complaints from amp or cab. Would really like to A/B it with the Promethean head to see how similar they are. I'm in North Wales if any Promethean owners (or micro heads of any make) would like to do some testing, send us a pm. Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The Harley Benton combos are back in stock if anyone's interested. http://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_ba5110c.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sykilz Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 Trying soooo hard to resist,the Benton is even cheaper than the redsub...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Strings Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Ordered a Harley Benton HA500 from Thomann as an interim while Matamp develop there's. Turns out not available until end of April (hadn't spotted nor understood the coloured coins thing they do) which is about the same time Matamp expect theirs to be ready. hmph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuckets Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 hello looking to replace my combo amp and am looking for something portable but loud enough for medium sized pubs just got an ampeg ba115hp but it just didnt seem to cut it at rehearsal against a loud drummer and 2 guitars and so is gonna go back to the shop. would the promethean cut it or am i going to left looking for aditional cabs etc? also wondering if its worth the extra money against the red sub or the Harley benton, if it is id pay it but also been considering the GK 2x10 lightweight combo although that doesnt have the detachable amp head. Mark bass 2 x 10 looks the buisness but at £950 new its out of my range. cheers Bri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuckets Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 forgot to mention i need to move fast so help and advice please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 I wouldn't be comfortable using a Promethean to gig with in medium-sized pubs. It's amazing for the size, but it's a small box and it doesn't break the laws of physics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='thebuckets' timestamp='1334157968' post='1611787'] hello looking to replace my combo amp and am looking for something portable but loud enough for medium sized pubs just got an ampeg ba115hp but it just didnt seem to cut it at rehearsal against a loud drummer and 2 guitars and so is gonna go back to the shop. would the promethean cut it or am i going to left looking for aditional cabs etc? also wondering if its worth the extra money against the red sub or the Harley benton, if it is id pay it but also been considering the GK 2x10 lightweight combo although that doesnt have the detachable amp head. Mark bass 2 x 10 looks the buisness but at £950 new its out of my range. cheers Bri [/quote] I've used the 1x10 Promethean at various pub gigs and for on stage monitoring with PA support to surprisingly great effect. I'm not sure it would be enough for a medium sized pub though, unless you were playing in an acoustic type set up. I would reckon you'd need an additional speaker cab for that kinda nonsense, so the Promethean 1x10 Combo + the 1x10 Ext. Cab would do the trick... As far as the difference between the Harley Benton, Red Sub and Ibanez, from what I've heard, the heads all roll off the same production line, however I really struggle to believe that the 1x10 cabinet and speaker are the same though, the design of the Promethean is much more "thought out", rather than just being a box. Having said that though, Matt and Rich have both messed around with my Promethean and reckon the Red Sub gives it a very VERY good run for the money. If you're not bothered about things matching and looking nice, you could go for the RedSub combo >> [url="http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/RedSub-BT5110-500W-Bass-Amp/C61"]http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/RedSub-BT5110-500W-Bass-Amp/C61[/url] and pick up the 2x10 Ext cab >> [url="http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/RedSub-B210T-Bass-Cabinet-2-x-10/H4S"]http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/RedSub-B210T-Bass-Cabinet-2-x-10/H4S[/url] to hook it up to for more oomph when required, if I was you though, I'd go for the Ibanez set up Eude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuckets Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 nice one Eude thanks for the suggestions and links so the promethean (or similar) with an extension would comfortably do a packed pub gig? just wanna be heard without having to max the lot out cheers Bri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 I've been thinking about getting an extension cab for my promethean combo but I think they have stopped making the 1x10? I think I might get a 4ohm 2x10 as an either or. Or would a 1x12 extension be a good option? Thanks, Darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuckets Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='Matt P' timestamp='1329503116' post='1543580'] Just saw these, they look mighty familiar! If Ibanez do stop the production of the 500W Prometheans it seems that there might be other options. [url="http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/RedSub-BT500H-500W-Bass-Head/B1D"]http://www.gear4musi...W-Bass-Head/B1D[/url] [url="http://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/RedSub-BT5110-500W-Bass-Amp/C61"]http://www.gear4musi...0W-Bass-Amp/C61[/url] Red Sub is a new name to me but the prices seem pretty good. Matt [/quote] am I missing something? is the bass head in the 1x10 combo identical to the head on its own? if so it would make sense to get the combo and an additional 2x10 as opposed to the head and a 2x10 cab? as both are the same price but youd have a 3x10 set up with the combo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuckets Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 oops again £70 different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec 'Aleb' Mills Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Regarding the lone head, I emailed G4M asking if the stats of '500w @8 ohms' was correct, and they mailed me back that it was. Am I alone in thinking that something is amiss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuckets Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 sorry im new to all this amp stuff I must read the pinned info. just need some good sound buying advice before i jump in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 [quote name='Alec 'Aleb' Mills' timestamp='1334182454' post='1612380'] Regarding the lone head, I emailed G4M asking if the stats of '500w @8 ohms' was correct, and they mailed me back that it was. Am I alone in thinking that something is amiss? [/quote] I think if you asked them what the figure for 4 ohms is they'll be stumped. I'll bet whoever emailed back was reading from their own website, as it doesn't stack up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuckets Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 so if i got the combo and the 2x10 could I run all three speakers together as well as 1,2 or 3 and would it give me enough oomph for decent sized pub venues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 It's rubbish - here are the stats, direct from the original manufacturer (Beta Aivin): [url="http://www.beta-aivin.com/English/Products/Bass/BT/English_205.html"]http://www.beta-aivin.com/English/Products/Bass/BT/English_205.html[/url] Here's the head alone: [url="http://www.beta-aivin.com/English/Products/Bass/BT/English_206.html"]http://www.beta-aivin.com/English/Products/Bass/BT/English_206.html[/url] It's 250W at 8 ohms, 500W at 4 ohms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='thebuckets' timestamp='1334186282' post='1612446'] so if i got the combo and the 2x10 could I run all three speakers together as well as 1,2 or 3 and would it give me enough oomph for decent sized pub venues? [/quote] Difficult to say. For larger venues I detach the head and use it with a 4 ohm 4x10. I don't know if there are any issues with what effectively a 3x10 where 1 of the speakers is handling 250W and the other two are only handling 125W each. I have wondered about doing something like this with a 2x10 upright on its end, pointing out front and using the 1x10 to point to the side to project some bass to the rest of the band to aid with monitoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='thebuckets' timestamp='1334186282' post='1612446'] so if i got the combo and the 2x10 could I run all three speakers together as well as 1,2 or 3 and would it give me enough oomph for decent sized pub venues? [/quote] From the specs posted by neepheid, it appears that the cabinet is available as 4 Ohm or 8 Ohm. You would need to make sure that you bought the 8 Ohm version if you were going to use it as an extension to the combo - using the 4Ohm in this way will result in an overall load of 2.66 Ohms which may damage the head. The power arithmetic kind of stacks up since the combo speaker is rated at 250W, but I wouldn't put too much faith in that since things can go wrong before you reach the theoretical power handling limit. Rule of thumb is don't put the bass on "10" and if it starts to fart turn it down. It seems odd to me that a 1x10 and a 2x10 have the same power rating - I'd expect them to use the same drivers in the combo and the 2x10, so the power rating numbers might be bogus. It seems to me that the biggest factor in the amount of noise you make is the total displacement, so in this case the higher the number of drivers the louder it's going to be. That would give you more oomph, but whether that's enough depends on the loudness of the band, whether you can EQ the right sound in the mix to be heard, the size of the room and the number of punters - we can't guarantee it, you need to suck it and see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1331989477' post='1581779'] Be careful with this...... it's only the Neutrik [b]NLJ2MD-V [/b]that allows you to do this. Most manufacturers do no use this as standard as it's an expensive socket. You could end up with a jack plug stuck in a Speakon socket if you are not careful [/quote] [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1332021436' post='1582331'] No danger with this, the hole in the middle is too small to even think about accommodating a 1/4" jack [/quote] You say that but you wouldn't believe the amount of Speakon sockets I've seen that people have tried to push a jack in..... It can happen easily to those that do not know what a Speakon socket is for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4 Strings Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Why buy the RedSub if the Harley Benton is so much cheaper? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='4 Strings' timestamp='1334255989' post='1613416'] Why buy the RedSub if the Harley Benton is so much cheaper? [/quote] Duh, it's got a red speaker! Seriously though, at the time I was wanting one Thomann had no stock and it was unclear when they might take them back in. Apart from the speaker and the badge, I think they're identical, so mop up Thomann's ones while you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matte_black Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 The HB 250w is actually back in stock... I have one and is a bargain. Certainly worth twice what it goes for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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