Please beware TC power ratings...I didn't...

[basstech]

Yes I [i]know[/i] they're very good amps (I've got one), but they all apparently use an internal power/peak compression 'safety' system - which in effect can in reality nearly halve the RMS output from the amp.......I wish I'd read the smallprint...... Although it can sound 'loud', I did wonder why the basic amp sounded compressed (even without using the on-board compressor)

.... Just think, the sound is compressed internally, u can compress it on the amp [i]and[/i] you may even have a nice rack compressor to compress it again.........does that turn the sound inside out?

Now looking for new amp....

[wateroftyne]

Yeah.. it's quite well documented now everywhere apart from TC's marketing.

The compression bothers some people.. me, for example. Others are quite happy with the way the amp sounds.

[JTUK]

Isn't it loud enough..?

[basstech]

No.

[GreeneKing]

I always thought that mine sounded 'loud enough' but to my ears 'something' wasn't quite right.

Maybe this explains it?

[wateroftyne]

[quote name='GreeneKing' timestamp='1329765837' post='1547023']
I always thought that mine sounded 'loud enough' but to my ears 'something' wasn't quite right.

Maybe this explains it?
[/quote]

My experience exactly...

[chris_b]

Good grief!!

[Prime_BASS]

[quote name='GreeneKing' timestamp='1329765837' post='1547023']
I always thought that mine sounded 'loud enough' but to my ears 'something' wasn't quite right.

Maybe this explains it?
[/quote]

Indeed, I had the RH750. My band members all wondered why I went 'down' to 500 watts again with the LMTube.

I always used with the compressor completely off and was never satisfied that it was off off. Like traction control in some cars. You can never really turn it off.

[Gareth Hughes]

I had the Classic 450 for about a week. The compression side of things I didn't notice (never pushed it that hard) but what bugged me was the lack of high end. I understand that TC designed it this way but to me it made it a bit of a one-trick-pony. If that hi-end ceiling could have been defeat-able I'd probably still have it.

[charic]

[quote name='basstech' timestamp='1329763337' post='1546965']
Yes I [i]know[/i] they're very good amps (I've got one), but they all apparently use an internal power/peak compression 'safety' system - which in effect can in reality nearly halve the RMS output from the amp.......I wish I'd read the smallprint...... Although it can sound 'loud', I did wonder why the basic amp sounded compressed (even without using the on-board compressor)

.... Just think, the sound is compressed internally, u can compress it on the amp [i]and[/i] you may even have a nice rack compressor to compress it again.........does that turn the sound inside out?

Now looking for new amp....
[/quote]

What cabs are you going through?

[Muzz]

God Almighty, mine's deafeningly loud.

[sunsse]

Also my experience, and i had the EXACT same feeling of compressed sound with a Little Mark II i once had.

Edited February 20, 2012 by sunsse

[basstech]

Hey Charic
..... Going through BC 2x12 and BC 2x10..

[Merton]

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1329766327' post='1547033']
Good grief!!
[/quote]
Crack open a beer and watch this again

[Musicman20]

No one mentioned the onboard system TC used to make the amp sound how it does before the recent Bass Gear Mag review. It is a LOT more than just 'compression', which many tend to simplify as it is.

Read the docs on the TC site.

Best test it thus:

Line up a similar rated amp, (in my case it was a LM3, and also a Shuttle 9.0 which is 900W!)

Take into consideration how the gain/master tapers work, (eg the LM3 is a full power at roughly 12 on the master, and then REALLY compresses and clamps down once you push it, with hard clipping).

Use the same cab, bass, etc.

Test.

I did this. I had no reason to stick with the TC....it was actually MORE expensive than the others.

What did I find out? Watt ratings mean very little. Management of power and heat management is very important in these types of amps. A good limiter, like the RH450, and the recent Genz Streamliner 900, make a massive difference.

Out of all the amps, the 450 was louder, simple as that. If you don't like the tone, that's different.

I think if you are hitting the limits of the RH750, something isn't right.

Edited February 20, 2012 by Musicman20

[BB3000S]

Personally I don't fancy the tone and dynamics (or relative lack thereof) of the RH750, but plenty loud it definitely is.

[charic]

[quote name='basstech' timestamp='1329770713' post='1547154']
Hey Charic
..... Going through BC 2x12 and BC 2x10..
[/quote]

That may have something to do with it, through 2 x rs210 my RH450 managed to keep pace with a PA drums, Vocals, 200w orange guitar amp cranked. It's a loud beast but my only experience with the BC cabs was with a bassist tuned to drop G so I can't post a realistic opinion.

I would try it with different cabs before giving up.

Is it the RH450 or the RH750?

[waynepunkdude]

I'll stick to my OBT and the unbridled power of it,

[Mr. Foxen]

Please beware power ratings. They don't mean what you think they do.

[gjones]

My TC Classic 450 was plenty loud enough going through my BC212 - I never had it much above halfway on the master. I just really didn't get on with the sound of it. It just didn't have any low mid 'grunt' if you know what I mean.

Edited February 20, 2012 by gjones

[charic]

[quote name='gjones' timestamp='1329777648' post='1547344']
My TC Classic 450 was plenty loud enough going through my BC212 - I never had it much above halfway on the master. I just really didn't get on with the sound of it. It just didn't have any low mid 'grunt' if you know what I mean.
[/quote]

Really?! How odd...

[Musicman20]

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1329777990' post='1547357']
Really?! How odd...
[/quote]

+1...low mid kick is what I'd say the RH amps have in spades...

[fretmeister]

I'll stick with my £279 Hartke LH500 which is loud enough to wake the dead, with the right cab.

If only Larry would get his finger out and make it weigh the same as a LM3 then it would be perfect.

[LukeFRC]

The RH I tried really really reminded me of a good version of the Line 6 SVT model. Don't think that's a bad thing.
I found it pretty loud enough, just didn't like it. It had the same subtle compression (or power management) that the bass Pod had. At the time it was a toss up between the RH and the puma I went for.

However in terms of features the RH is pretty far ahead of the game.

[gjones]

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1329777990' post='1547357']
Really?! How odd...
[/quote]

The amp sounded as if you'd removed the sliders on a graphic equaliser at the punchy end of the spectrum. There was low bass and mid and a decent high end but however much I twiddled and widdled the knobs I couldn't find the specific low mid frequencies I was looking for. I thought it might have been the speakers but they now sound great with my ABM 500 so they weren't the problem.