ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 hello again, ok so i've decided to go for the Gallien-Krueger 700RB-II (provided i like it when i play it, which i will). now all i need to decide is what cab(s) to buy. i thought i was prepared to go down the two 2x10" speaker route, because they would be light. but if i buy two of these, thats it, thats the full stack, i cant add anything else. that means the rig cant get any louder, and will only have 4 speakers. so now i want to try and find a good 4x10" cab that meets my harsh requirements. that way, i can add another 4x10" or 2x10" cab later, instead of having a maxed-out amp. ok here goes: im looking for a 4x10" cab that will: - work well with my chosen amp - cost £500 or less (but hopefully when the time comes i can maybe pick it up s/h) - under 30KG (70lbs) - has a speakon connector Many thanks, i look forward to hearing your suggestions thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxm Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 IMHO previously my 700rbII worked really well with an Eden XLT 4x10 ! Nowadays I use it with a MarkBass 6x10 - and that's light ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan_da_man Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 You bought a head without playing it?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 nope. havent bought it yet lol, just decided on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 sorry i feel i need to give more info. i play mostly (loud) rock/heavy rock/funk rock, and play with two loud guitarists. i was gonna buy the gallien-krueger 210RBH, and then buy another one later and stack them. but i dont think 4 speakers will be loud enough, when i could have 6 or 8. also, that cab looks like it will be very unstable if i stack them, because there isnt a lot of actual flat space on top, it just curves anyway thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Um. ? Nothing else will take advantage of the head's ability to biamp. I don't know if its less than 30kg in weight but if you buy GK, you more or less sign up to buying their cabs too. I run a GK RB700 1x15 combo with their 210RBH and TBH I hardly use the 210. What some people look for in terms of sheer grunt I've found by making sure the wedge shaped combo or cab is pointing directly at my ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 [quote name='Crazykiwi' post='174134' date='Apr 10 2008, 08:10 PM']Um. ? Nothing else will take advantage of the head's ability to biamp.[/quote] Wot 'e said! Still confused why you're convinced two 2x10 cabs or similar won't be "loud" enough coz if you get the right ones you won't have a problem, lots of people have been telling you that on your other thread. But like Kiwi says, if youwanna bi-amp, you need a GK cab like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 lol hold on, whats biamping again? i thought that was just wat the GK cabs did to allow you to control the tweeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 (edited) would you say this is good to go for? [url="http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_artist_ca_neo212.html#"]http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_ar...ca_neo212.html#[/url] i've read somewhere that using a powerful cab with a not so powerful head can damage the cab. will this be a problem with that speaker, cos it will be like 1200W at 4ohms, and the amp will only be putting out 450W at 4ohms Edited April 10, 2008 by jjl5590 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Not sure on the full ins and outs of the GK system but biamping essentially splits the low and high frequency bands so separate amps (and hence speaker systems) reproduce smaller frequency bands which they are more suited to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 [quote name='jjl5590' post='174141' date='Apr 10 2008, 08:20 PM']i've read somewhere that using a powerful cab with a not so powerful head can damage the cab. will this be a problem with that speaker, cos it will be like 1200W at 4ohms, and the amp will only be putting out 450W at 4ohms[/quote] Complete bollocks. If you hear unwanted distortion, turn down. Other than that, read the wiki!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 ah i see... lol that makes no sense to me thanks for tryin tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 IMPORTANT NOTE: it is quite possible to damage high powered speakers by driving them with a lower powered amplifier that is being driven at full volume. Although this seems counter-intuitive the physics of sound make this possible. For this reason, you should avoid driving your amplifier at full volume to the point where is starts to distort badly (some mild “musical” distortion is acceptable). If you cannot get enough clean volume from your amplifier you need a more powerful amplifier. thats what it says in the wiki, thats where i read it from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8 Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 [quote name='Merton' post='174143' date='Apr 10 2008, 08:21 PM']Complete bollocks.[/quote]good point, well presented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 [quote name='jjl5590' post='174145' date='Apr 10 2008, 08:24 PM']IMPORTANT NOTE: it is quite possible to damage high powered speakers by driving them with a lower powered amplifier that is being driven at full volume. Although this seems counter-intuitive the physics of sound make this possible. For this reason, you should avoid driving your amplifier at full volume to the point where is starts to distort badly (some mild “musical” distortion is acceptable). If you cannot get enough clean volume from your amplifier you need a more powerful amplifier. thats what it says in the wiki, thats where i read it from[/quote] Yeah, but just the fact you're using and amp which is less powerful isn't the problem. The problem is if you overdrive the amp, you *may* cause damage. If it sounds bad, turn down. [quote name='sk8' post='174146' date='Apr 10 2008, 08:26 PM']good point, well presented [/quote] Ta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 ok, i've decided to stick with a GK cab. should i get 2 of these: [url="http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_artist_ca_210rbh.html"]http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_ar..._ca_210rbh.html[/url] or 2 of these: [url="http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_artist_ca_neo212.html"]http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_ar..._ca_neo212.html[/url] i want to try and get pretty close to the tone flea has (without his bass of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPig Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 (edited) [quote name='jjl5590' post='174153' date='Apr 10 2008, 08:42 PM']ok, i've decided to stick with a GK cab. should i get 2 of these: [url="http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_artist_ca_210rbh.html"]http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_ar..._ca_210rbh.html[/url] or 2 of these: [url="http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_artist_ca_neo212.html"]http://www.gallien-krueger.com/products_ar..._ca_neo212.html[/url] i want to try and get pretty close to the tone flea has (without his bass of course)[/quote] If your willing to spend a grand on 2 of the neos [url="http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/neo-212/68568"]http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/en/neo-212/68568[/url] Edited April 10, 2008 by WarPig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 well hopefully im gonna try and get it second hand (from someone on here probably), and i would only buy 1 neo cab for the time being. but the thing is, if i get 2 neos, that will be like 1200W from each of them, which will kinda overload the 450W head. i should probably get the 700W head, but its too expensive, unless i can find one second hand. if not then i'll just get the 450W head and two of the 2x10 RBH cabs and stack them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPig Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 [quote name='jjl5590' post='174174' date='Apr 10 2008, 09:55 PM']well hopefully im gonna try and get it second hand (from someone on here probably), and i would only buy 1 neo cab for the time being. but the thing is, if i get 2 neos, that will be like 1200W from each of them, which will kinda overload the 450W head. i should probably get the 700W head, but its too expensive, unless i can find one second hand. if not then i'll just get the 450W head and two of the 2x10 RBH cabs and stack them[/quote] I think you've got something wrong somewhere, using cabs rated at 1200w will not damage the head. Its the OHMS you need to look out for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarPig Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 The GK head you're after goes to 4ohm, so you can use the 2 neo cabs safely with it, because they are 8 ohm each, two 8 ohm cabs makes 4 ohms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 (edited) For a better explanation of bi-amping see the [url="http://wiki.basschat.co.uk/"]wiki[/url] but all GK amps have a separate tweeter amp that will drive the tweeters in GK cabs when wired up with 2 way speakons. This is a feature unique to GK afaik. Speakers fail for 2 reasons: Thermal failure because too much power is put through the coils (think of the coils as a fuse rated at the drivers power). This has to be continuous so you need to put serious power in to do that. Mechanical failure because you are driving the excursion (movement in and out) beyond its maximum. You can hear this as distortion long before it becomes terminal but most of us ignore it until the cone splats itself on the grill. This can happen with amps rated below the speakers thermal rating. Edited April 10, 2008 by bass_ferret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 ah ok. seems like a bit of a waste getting the neo speakers if the amp can only go up to 450W, unless i can find a good used deal. anyway i read on the wiki that if you use very powerful speakers with a not very powerful head, you can damadge the speakers. and if you use the rig at really low volumes for long periods, the speakers will also break cos they require movement to cool down, and at low volumes they arnt moving hardly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I'v got kind of an answer that's a question & it will help me decide too...... What about a GK 700RBII 210 combo (or the 1001RBII combo) and adding either a GK (or whatever) cab that suited? eg: add that GK 410 cab to make a 610 for example. Is there really any difference between buying the 700RBII head & GK 210 cab and the caombo other than the fact that the amp is built in to a slightly larger cab & saves a bit of money? I know you're then stuck with them 2 10's, but if you're happy to sound similar to Flea (which isn't a bad thing IMO) then is this not a good option? This is what I'm considering getting (maybe the MB 102P) & to try different cabs with it to see what I like. I'll probably get told to f@*k off and get a proper rig! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted April 10, 2008 Author Share Posted April 10, 2008 lol well my main concern is weight, and a normal 4x10 or combo is too heavy for moi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Goodpoint about the weight JJ. But the GK combo has wheels & pull out handle so you only need to lift it out the car (unless you have steps). Other option is the Markbass 210 combo. I haven't tried them yet but hear great things about them. Apparently very light & very loud & have bucket loads of quality tones. You could add the MB 410 or similar later which is also supposed to be very light. If you have a MB dealer near you then maybe give em a try & see what you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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