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After another 5 hours in a rehearsal studio at the weekend with an 11lb SR5 around my neck I once again ask myself the question exactly how light a 5 string could I have made for me that still sounds and looks great?

This is really just a seed of an idea but is it unrealistic to expect to get a build 9lbs or under? I do have a SR5 and Overwater 5 that are 10lbs so I guess it's not asking too much if I kept to a small body design or it had wood chambered out of it kinda like a semi acoustic but without any F holes.

Any thoughts, suggestions, warnings appreciated.


I did search the forum but apologies if this topic has been covered else where.



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How about a Status Streamline?

[url="http://www.status-graphite.com/status/frames/index_home.html"]http://www.status-gr...index_home.html[/url]

[attachment=102953:Status Streamline 5.jpg]

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Swamp Ash mate, that's what you need.

I'd give Alan at ACG a shout.
My 5 string >> [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/72396-look-what-i-just-picked-up/"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/72396-look-what-i-just-picked-up/[/url]
is well under 8 lbs, probably closer to 7, I'm barely aware I've got it on when I play it and it's got a Wenge neck!
You're welcome to have a shot of it, but it's not going anywhere ;)

Eude

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[quote name='Tinman' timestamp='1332169062' post='1584183']
You could do worse than giving Jon Shuker a call :)
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Thanks Tinman, I'm just at the research stage at the moment, I have some ideas on how I want it to look ( some nice Buckeye maybe ;) ) if I do go ahead but really wanted to see what can be achived weight wise 1st.

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[quote name='andyonbass' timestamp='1332170898' post='1584212']
My Status Electro weighs 7.5 lbs according to my bathroom scales. It has a chambered body and no magnetic pups, just a piezo.

[attachment=102952:Electro 1.JPG]
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That is light, the idea of having a chamber in the body makes sense to me for bringing the weight down, I'd have it covered over though, as lovely as your Status is I don't think the sound hole would suit my band.

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[quote name='ikay' timestamp='1332171515' post='1584224']
How about a Status Streamline?

[url="http://www.status-graphite.com/status/frames/index_home.html"]http://www.status-gr...index_home.html[/url]

[attachment=102953:Status Streamline 5.jpg]
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I'm not keen on headless basses but it's a good call and you're right it would be an extremely lightweight and portable option.

Is graphite lighter then wood?

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[quote name='eude' timestamp='1332171655' post='1584230']
Swamp Ash mate, that's what you need.

I'd give Alan at ACG a shout.
My 5 string >> [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/72396-look-what-i-just-picked-up/"]http://basschat.co.u...just-picked-up/[/url]
is well under 8 lbs, probably closer to 7, I'm barely aware I've got it on when I play it and it's got a Wenge neck!
You're welcome to have a shot of it, but it's not going anywhere ;)

Eude
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Thanks Eude, looks like you've got a stunner there and I'm amazed at that weight, I thought I was being optimistic hoping for sub 9lbs but it's obviously quite achievable.

Swamp Ash could be the answer :)

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[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1332172895' post='1584263']
Thanks Eude, looks like you've got a stunner there and I'm amazed at that weight, I thought I was being optimistic hoping for sub 9lbs but it's obviously quite achievable.

Swamp Ash could be the answer :)
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Yeah man, some super light swamp ash will sort you right out!
Mine would be a lot lighter if I had gone for a lighter neck material, and I guess without the single-cut shape you'd lose a little more weight too...
Sub 8 lbs is definitely achievable.
Lightweight Hipshot hardware will help you along the way too.

One of Scoop's ACGs, his fretless 4 string Recurve >> [url="http://www.acguitars.co.uk/Gallery/278/"]http://www.acguitars.co.uk/Gallery/278/[/url] is even lighter than my 5er, using some uber light limba, that's another possible wood I reckon? :)

Eude

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[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1332175110' post='1584309']
Swamp Ash I've obviously heard of but Limba is a new one on me,

You have all put a smile on my face today as sub 8lbs would exceed what I hoped for.
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Limba is a bit like Mahogany tonewise from what I've heard, although I'm not sure what a very lightweight piece would be like.
I think you could also look at Spanish Cedar and Cherry too, but if you're into more "trad" sounding basses, I think Swamp Ash will be right up your street, either that or a chambered body made of more regular wood.

8 lbs is definitely possible, in fact I reckon it can be guaranteed if you go custom, but you might find something off the shelf that would be light enough, [b]funkle[/b] on here had a love swamp ash Lakland 4 string that was easily sub 8 lbs in my opinion, think he moved it on a while ago though.

Eude

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Strickly 5 strings theses days, I had a Lakland JO5 for a while, really liked it except for the wide string spacing hence the look of my 5 String Jazz build (see my signature) whick turned out brilliantly except being nealy 12lbs :(

I'm quite into the custom build thing so will go down that route again as it means I get the spec I want.

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[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1332177592' post='1584379']
I'm quite into the custom build thing so will go down that route again as it means I get the spec I want.
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Well if it's a definitely a custom, I can't recommend ACGs enough mate, and they've just started doing a new J-Type bass which might be up your street if you like a more traditional looking bass >> [url="http://www.acguitars.co.uk/Available/17/"]http://www.acguitars...k/Available/17/[/url] :)

Eude

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That is rather tastey :)

I did see some of Andy's work at the London Bass Show a couple of weeks ago, quite stunning.

I have a fretless being made for me (not an ACG) that's having one of his filter based eq's in it, looking forward to seeing how it sounds.

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[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1332179112' post='1584405']
That is rather tastey :)

I did see some of Andy's work at the London Bass Show a couple of weeks ago, quite stunning.

I have a fretless being made for me (not an ACG) that's having one of his filter based eq's in it, looking forward to seeing how it sounds.
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It's [b]Alan[/b] at ACG by the way ;)
I've been watching your fretless build, it's looking great! :)

Eude

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[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1332180551' post='1584431']
Oops I stand corrected :blush: I never was any good with names :D

He kindly got me some Ultalites for a very good price to, top man.
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Aye, he's a good man!
I took the liberty of asking the weight of the new J Type, apparently this one >> [url="http://www.acguitars.co.uk/Available/22/"]http://www.acguitars.co.uk/Available/22/[/url]
comes in at 8.25 lbs with the Gotoh tuners, so with Hipshots it'd be a cool 8 lbs on the nose :)

Eude

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[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1332171749' post='1584232']


Thanks Tinman, I'm just at the research stage at the moment, I have some ideas on how I want it to look ( some nice Buckeye maybe ;) ) if I do go ahead but really wanted to see what can be achived weight wise 1st.
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mmmmmm Buckeye, now you're speaking my language :)

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Just had a litlle look on the internet for info on chambered bodies, obviously there could be issues with neck dive and the tone of the instrument, I found this old thread on the Nordstrand site.

[url="http://x.nordstrandpickups.com/viewtopic.php?t=33"]http://x.nordstrandp...wtopic.php?t=33[/url]

and this pic on the Warmoth site


[attachment=103052:ChamberedJSwampChambers.jpg]

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If I remember correctly most of the high end Sadowskys are chambered too, you don't hear folks complaining about their tone very often ;)
I personally would just go for a lighter wood, as it would be a lot cheaper, leaving cash for black jack and other important things... :yarr:

Eude

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[quote name='eude' timestamp='1332248941' post='1585478']
If I remember correctly most of the high end Sadowskys are chambered too, you don't hear folks complaining about their tone very often ;)

Eude
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I was just reading that the NYC Sadowsky's have chambered bodies.

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