Bilbo Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I have looked at and listened to hundreds of hours of Paul Chambers playing and just think that the best way to swing is straight quarter notes with as little ornamentation as possible. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisthebass Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 This dude (John Clayton) can swing in four and two: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q-CoW2cFpA&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q-CoW2cFpA&feature=related[/url] I must dig this DVD out and give it another watch (haven't seen it in years)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 (edited) How about quarter notes are not 'swing rhythm'? (Beginning and then 4:05) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2XnB5G6oSc[/media] Edited March 28, 2012 by Faithless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer.b Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 I'm sure he's not suggesting that the bass shouldn't play quarter notes, when he plays his left hand plays very few syncopations there's some interesting stuff in there that us bassplayers can take from as our internal feel of the 8th note must effect our quarter note placement For me ornamentation can swing too, how about Ray Brown on Night Train with fills my rule has always been don't play across the ostinato of the song in the case of most jazz this being 2 and 4 bilbo I know what you mean about Paul Chambers though and I've heard a lot of bass players who's time falters when they play fills but maybe thats because the quarter note placement is less acurate rather than the ornamentation itself not swingin maybe it's also about the dynamics of the syncopation in relation to the quarters i play with quite few drummers who i think comp way to loud compared to their ride and hats and I don't get enough 2 and 4 just loads of syncopation breaking up the groove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 The thing is, I see the ornamentation elements of a players vocabulary as just that and, used sparingly, it can be the loveliest enhancement. When I listen to the greats, however, I hear about 5% ornamentation and 95% straight playihng. Its a bit like slapping in funk; 'less is more'. The more ostentaious the bass player, the more the swing is vulnerable to collapse. But for me, that 'DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM DOOM' thing, when it locks in, is the best feeling in the world. Its not the only facet of Jazz that I love by any means but its one of the most viscerally exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer.b Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I'm with you on the DOOM DOOM DOOM thing, but is McBride not more ostentacious AND swingin than your average bass player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted April 7, 2012 Author Share Posted April 7, 2012 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennysFord Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 The break at 9.16 in the Diana Krall video is sublime, the rest of it is fantastic too. Thanks for posting it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisthebass Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 [quote name='kennyrodg' timestamp='1333962792' post='1608670'] The break at 9.16 in the Diana Krall video is sublime, the rest of it is fantastic too. Thanks for posting it up. [/quote] No worries - she's a class act & the band behind her are great. Not sure if the DVD's still available, but if you can get a copy, you won't be disappointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMech Posted April 14, 2012 Share Posted April 14, 2012 Yup, I'm with you on this one Bilbo. Listening to Night Train, I'd say even when RB does an extra ornamentation, it still is in addition to the straight crotchets, not instead of i.e. mostly a couple of lead notes into the beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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