dmccombe7 Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Does anyone else have a problem with their strap lock buttons loosening off. On both my Fender and Overwater J4 they have loosened themselves on the body at the horn end. Bridge end is fine. Thought maybe it was because the strap now sits further away from the body and therefore a bit more strain on the button itself. Original buttons would have the strap sitting close to the body. Can't remember the mfr. Got them on ebay but they work well otherwise. They are pretty well made so its not a quality issue i think. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Fill the hole with cocktail sticks and a bit of wood glue. When it's dry, screw the straplok back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 yeah they do that on mine, I put some sticks like sh*t in the hole and screwed it back in when still wet, seems to have worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoJoKe Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 With most of the schaller style straploks the screws always have a smaller (thinner) thread than the originals. When fitting them I cover a match with wood glue, gently tap it in as far as it will go, then carefully trim it flush with the body and let it dry throughly before screwing in the new screw, which I have also pre-coated in superglue. This way they stay put for a good long time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 Cocktail sticks are harder wood than matchsticks and so, IMO, provide a more substantial and lasting result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Heeley Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 yep same problem here every now and then. PVA and cocktail sticks resolve it for a few more months, depending on how much u jump up and down on stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 [quote name='MoJoKe' timestamp='1336756897' post='1650683'] With most of the schaller style straploks the screws always have a smaller (thinner) thread than the originals. [/quote] I questioned this last time it came up because IME the screws are the same diameter but actually longer (especially when you take into account they go further through the strap lock button). IIRC it appears to be mainly Fender strap buttons that have fatter screws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share Posted May 12, 2012 Screws appeared to be exact same size but will check on that. That would probably explain it. I may go back to original buttons. Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brensabre79 Posted May 12, 2012 Share Posted May 12, 2012 Yep, I have this trouble at the back on my 70s Jazz. Tried matches, lasted one gig. I have the Fender straplocks, the screws are beefier but doesn't stop this problem unfortunately, just takes a bit longer. Cheers for the cocktail stick tip, will try this next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoJoKe Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1336757114' post='1650692'] Cocktail sticks are harder wood than matchsticks and so, IMO, provide a more substantial and lasting result. [/quote] OK, thats a good point will try that next time. On a broader note, my Laklands both had fatter, coarser screw threads on the button screws. Yes, the schaller ones are everso slightly longer, but not so as would make much of a difference IMO... I guess if you never want them to come out again (and arguably why would you?), you could try using cocktail sticks, use an epoxy glue (Araldite type) and screw together before the epoxy goes off. that'd work pretty permanently, but I suspect I'll get a slap from someone for suggesting it!! I suppose it depends on how much you value your bass! I'm not sure I'd do that on anything other than a really grungy bass!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL POSTERS Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 One little point. Anybody else noticed that if you put a woodscrew into the nozzle of PVA based glue bottles, or No Nails tubes, they corrode quite badly. Even plated ones. I'm not sure if it will still happen with dried glue. Just a thought, but a corroded screw you cant get out, or that snaps off might cause problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 I think the corrosion normally comes from being stored in lofts or garages in damp environements rather than the PVA but i have noted that myself and it is a valid point worth further investigation. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL POSTERS Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 [quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1337068983' post='1654726'] I think the corrosion normally comes from being stored in lofts or garages in damp environements rather than the PVA but i have noted that myself and it is a valid point worth further investigation. Dave [/quote] No nails, mastic gun, boot of my car was always full of tools / screws anyway which didnt go rusty.... Must be the PVA I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojplaysbass Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 separate from the button issue, but on the whole strap lock subject...... has anyone ever had issues with the hex nut loosening itself? this has happened with my warwick and schaller locks any remedies or is it just a fact of life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 [quote name='ojplaysbass' timestamp='1337070863' post='1654758'] separate from the button issue, but on the whole strap lock subject...... has anyone ever had issues with the hex nut loosening itself? this has happened with my warwick and schaller locks any remedies or is it just a fact of life? [/quote] I just always check they are at least finger tight when I put the bass on. If not then finger tight will get you through the gig and then get the spanner out later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojplaysbass Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1337071048' post='1654761'] I just always check they are at least finger tight when I put the bass on. If not then finger tight will get you through the gig and then get the spanner out later. [/quote] yeah I've pretty much made it a routine in-between-song check. I've used a wrench but it doesn't seem to be much more effective/ last longer than just hand-tightening them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 The trick is to cut the hole in the strap properly. There's a post about this an explaining hoe to do it using the appropriate sized leather punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ojplaysbass Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Thanks BigRedX - I'll check it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 ....or you could never have the problem in the first place by getting Dunlop straplocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 [quote name='ojplaysbass' timestamp='1337075544' post='1654830'] Thanks BigRedX - I'll check it out [/quote] [url=http://basschat.co.uk/topic/70420-schaller-strap-locks-and-how-to-fit-them-properly/]Here you go...[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted May 15, 2012 Author Share Posted May 15, 2012 [quote name='ojplaysbass' timestamp='1337070863' post='1654758'] separate from the button issue, but on the whole strap lock subject...... has anyone ever had issues with the hex nut loosening itself? this has happened with my warwick and schaller locks any remedies or is it just a fact of life? [/quote] Never had any issues with my Warwick and hex screws but i couldn't find strap locks that would accept the hex screw. ??? I now use "Strap-Lok" over button style which is a retro that fits onto your existing strap. Preety good and safe too. Dave Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brensabre79 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 It's funny really that these products are so popular, I use them myself, but the most effective system I have ever used is the little rubber grommit from a Grolsch bottle! A fraction of the price of the Schaller ones, they don't come loose and you get two free bottles of beer per set! They do need replacing every so often though, which means more beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondeeman Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I bought a nice 6 mm dowel rod a while back. It's hard and straight (think it maybe maple) and 6' cost me a couple of quid. Stopped all the messing around with cocktail sticks. Sands down beautifully too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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