Conan Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 [quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1338908354' post='1680890'] The danger with the markbass stuff is IMO misunderstanding the VLE/VLF controls - [/quote] Not to mention the VPL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I get all the sound I need from my 38lb cab (it IS a 2x15, tho), don't miss my big rig at all. It's about the tones, and I has 'em. I doubt you'd ever find a pic of my rig on any 15-year-old's wall, but then I'm not trying to impress 15-year-olds any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I like the baggy, see-through, blue rig posted above. Nice, tight low end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 [quote name='Jack' timestamp='1341683518' post='1722783'] I like the baggy, see-through, blue rig posted above. Nice, tight low end.[/quote] Tends to fart out a bit, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomBassmonkey Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Size of the rig is irrelevant. It's how it sounds and whether or not it can be heard (nb: not whether it's loud enough, the ability to cut through is just as important) in a band situation. I own a 1080w 2x4x10 beast that I need at least one extra person to help me per cab (96lbs each iirc) to move it and I also have a 500w 2x2x12 rig that I can literally carry in one trip with two basses (the head's in a laptop case, 1 cab in each hand and both basses in cases over my shoulders with the head). Both do a great job, I tend to use the smaller rig because it's so much easier, it sounds equally as good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 IMO and IME, the only reason i can see myself wanting a big rig is because they look cool, and the cabs tend to be cheaper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1341710217' post='1723137'] ...the only reason i can see myself wanting a big rig is because they look cool, and the cabs tend to be cheaper...[/quote] [i]Much [/i]cheaper if you've got GAS for Barefaced. Which I think almost everyone has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 [quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1336974513' post='1653300'] I wonder how many of those rubbishing the experience of using a really big cab have actually owned and gigged one. [/quote] I've not owned an 8x10 but I've done the whole 'two 4x10s plus enormous kilowatt head' thing. My current rig of Shuttle 6.0 plus twin Nemesis 1x15s does everything I could want and more, and in total weighs about 30lbs less than just one of those old 4x10s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtcat Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I think we should remember that there's a place for all these rigs but ultimately a bit of theatre never harmed anyone's live show. Big cabs look cool as .... so if transport and stage space was no issue then I'd have a monster rig in a heartbeat. As it is I have reasonably tidy size rig that sounds great and does the job brilliantly but it still feels kinda sterile. Much rather have a dirty great big cab behind me with half a metric ton of valve head sitting on the top. Mind you my guitard uses a little combo so it'd look funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danhkr Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1341324917' post='1717036'] +1 If you're using PA & you only need a monitor, then what you have is solely for your own enjoyment/ego. For general pub & club gigs with no PA for the bass, then most 2x10 rigs would be more than ample. [/quote] In theory true, but there's a wide variety of 2x10 combos out there and plenty (not all) would be stressed to buggery trying to keep up with what a 50w valve guitar amp can give out. Also an 8x10 doesn't usually have a bigger 'footprint' than a 2x10 combo anyway, so unless you're playing somewhere with a dangerously low ceiling, the only issue is transportation. Been able to wheel mine out the van, into the venue and a couple of us lifting it onto a stage, is a lot less hassle for me than carrying a 2x10 combo about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='danhkr' timestamp='1342184612' post='1731058'] In theory true, but there's a wide variety of 2x10 combos out there and plenty (not all) would be stressed to buggery trying to keep up with what a 50w valve guitar amp can give out. Also an 8x10 doesn't usually have a bigger 'footprint' than a 2x10 combo anyway, so unless you're playing somewhere with a dangerously low ceiling, the only issue is transportation. Been able to wheel mine out the van, into the venue and a couple of us lifting it onto a stage, is a lot less hassle for me than carrying a 2x10 combo about. [/quote] if you're putting the 2x10 on the horizontal, then the footprint is the same, but ideally you don't really want horizontal drivers if you don't have monitors or a PA. I don't agree with you regarding the 2x10 being stressed against a 50w combo as most 2x10s these days are more than capable, but then it does depend on the guitar combo. My 2x10 had no trouble against a Vox AC30, a 100w Marshall 1/2 stack & a shed building drummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 If you use a GRAMMA pad then a 210 takes up the same amount of stage as an 810. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBollock Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I was thinking along those lines too. My rig takes up a footprint of 24 x 18 inches, whether I just use my 1x15 or my 4x10 or both together, it just stacks. And when it's all stacked, including the rack, it stands shorter than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I don't usually take a tape measure to gigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJ Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I'm from the 'old skool' when it comes to bass rigs. My main rig, as a few of you already know is an SWR1500 paired with two Golly 4x10's and looks like this (gratuitous rig shot) [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/JPJ/28c93481.jpg[/IMG] However, until recently (i.e. yesterday ) I have also been using an Orange Terror Bass into my 8 ohm Schroeder 21012-a-like which sounded wicked, was loud enough for most of the gigs I do, and was so portable as to mean only two trips to the car rather than the usual 5. When I re-speakered the Schroeder cabinet I opted for 8 ohms as at that time I could never have imagined using only one cab, so always had the intention of building a second one, but having used it on its own with the Terror Bass I wished I'd opted for a 4 ohm version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='JPJ' timestamp='1342193709' post='1731379'] I'm from the 'old skool' when it comes to bass rigs. My main rig, as a few of you already know is an SWR1500 paired with two Golly 4x10's and looks like this (gratuitous rig shot) However, until recently (i.e. yesterday ) I have also been using an Orange Terror Bass into my 8 ohm Schroeder 21012-a-like which sounded wicked, was loud enough for most of the gigs I do, and was so portable as to mean only two trips to the car rather than the usual 5. When I re-speakered the Schroeder cabinet I opted for 8 ohms as at that time I could never have imagined using only one cab, so always had the intention of building a second one, but having used it on its own with the Terror Bass I wished I'd opted for a 4 ohm version. [/quote] A couple of nice rigs there! Having the 8 ohm version does have better resale potential (& the ability to add another if ever needed) & the 4 ohm wouldn't be moch louder than what you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Ha, I always go for the 4 ohm option, purely to prevent me from buying another cab. Because I know I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1342201282' post='1731624'] Ha, I always go for the 4 ohm option, purely to prevent me from buying another cab. Because I know I would. [/quote] There's always a way around that..... 2Ω head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1342202168' post='1731651'] There's always a way around that..... 2Ω head! [/quote] That actually got me thinking. A lot of 700+ watt heads dont seem to be available with a 2ohm carrying capacity. Strange really. 2ohm = 16x10 = more than most will ever need. Nice rig JPJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Mog' timestamp='1342203168' post='1731692'] That actually got me thinking. A lot of 700+ watt heads dont seem to be available with a 2ohm carrying capacity. Strange really. 2ohm = 16x10 = more than most will ever need. [/quote] Stacked vertically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1342203501' post='1731703'] Stacked vertically? [/quote] If you like buddy. On that note. The last time I saw Alice in Chains Mike had 2 8x10's stacked horizontally with 2 1x15's at the end. This whole stacking thing only works in venues up to a certain size. Ergo, FOH is probably more important than backline in any venue where you would need a rig with more than 1 8x10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 There's a fair advantage in limited dispersion in some venues where the walls are reflective in the mids and stuff, they make for a reverby mess if you don't have some directional going on. Local bowling alley has bands and 4x12s sound much better than combos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1342204094' post='1731728'] There's a fair advantage in limited dispersion in some venues where the walls are reflective in the mids and stuff, they make for a reverby mess if you don't have some directional going on. Local bowling alley has bands and 4x12s sound much better than combos. [/quote] Can the band bring their own shoes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Mog' timestamp='1342204336' post='1731739'] Can the band bring their own shoes? [/quote] And their own Balls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1342203501' post='1731703'] Stacked vertically? [/quote] Hahahahaha would love to see this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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