charic Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Is this totally insane/stupid or genius? [attachment=110377:InsanePB.png] Basically been thinking if I'm going to start building a board then I should be building to a target... is the above Insane/Stupid or Genius? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherairsoft Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I think you'll regret not being able to apply the modulation and delay lines to each other or the other loops. Do you need different compression on each channel?? Couldn't you jut put a compressor 1st and then the loops come after it. Personally I'd move the compressor to the end sonit levels and limits all channels the same and irons out any volume mis-matching between the loops. Gotta credit you for the craziness though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 So you'll have 4 switchable channels? I think there is much easier ways to execute this, I think you're double & triple'ing up on pedals where you don't need to?! What are you trying/hoping to acheive? Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1339664722' post='1692094'] I think you'll regret not being able to apply the modulation and delay lines to each other or the other loops. Do you need different compression on each channel?? Couldn't you jut put a compressor 1st and then the loops come after it. Personally I'd move the compressor to the end sonit levels and limits all channels the same and irons out any volume mis-matching between the loops. Gotta credit you for the craziness though! [/quote] I'd want to be able to apply different levels of compression to each, particularly with the distortion vs the clean I was considering an additional compressor at the end too. I tend to use reverbs and delays on clean sounds, modulation I HAVE applied to dirty sounds and liked the results but I tend to apply it to clean sounds more often, that bits kinda "suck it and see". I was also hoping to monitor what each pedal done "volume-wise" and account for that within each pedal, trying to keep them the same throughout. I should have probably said the ideal would be a volume on the end of each strip too just incase of that type of problem, again "suck it and see" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1339665057' post='1692103'] What are you trying/hoping to acheive? [/quote] Dunno yet Basically a aggressive channel Dirt Channel Clean Channel Space Channel Modulation Channel I like the idea of having them on seperate strips for the most part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Ah Shep beat me I agree about the Comp pedals, although i'd try it at the start, before the split, certainly try it at the end, but I love the way my CS-2 affects the drive effects when it comes before them. An EQ on each channel? Is a Delay channel so in need of a seperate EQ?....with another EQ before the amp? Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydentaku Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Sorry, but I can't help but think that this is something that Nigel Tufnel would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1339665330' post='1692108'] Basically a aggressive channel Dirt Channel Clean Channel Space Channel Modulation Channel [/quote] Have you considered the Therapy Channel..? [url="http://www.completecounselingsolutions.com/podcast/"]http://www.completecounselingsolutions.com/podcast/[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Don't get us wrong, most will agree there's no right or wrong way of doing this.......but I think there are more economical ways lol. So for example, I have two channels, clean and 'dirt'. I have one or the other on, but can mix them too, never use a 'bypassed' sound. Compressor in the dirt channel to increase harmonics to the drive pedals, delays after both channels to effect everything. Chorus/Flanger in clean channel etc etc Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1339666176' post='1692134'] Ah Shep beat me I agree about the Comp pedals, although i'd try it at the start, before the split, certainly try it at the end, but I love the way my CS-2 affects the drive effects when it comes before them. An EQ on each channel? Is a Delay channel so in need of a seperate EQ?....with another EQ before the amp? Si [/quote] EQ on the delay so that it can either be the same or different to the clean (may want a different tone for the delay). EQ just before the amp for my overall EQ tone shaping that will always be present [quote name='jaydentaku' timestamp='1339666537' post='1692140'] Sorry, but I can't help but think that this is something that Nigel Tufnel would do. [/quote] [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1339666700' post='1692145'] Have you considered the Therapy Channel..? [/quote] What pedals go on that? I played a song by Therapy? in a previous band Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1339666937' post='1692150'] Don't get us wrong, most will agree there's no right or wrong way of doing this.......but I think there are more economical ways lol. So for example, I have two channels, clean and 'dirt'. I have one or the other on, but can mix them too, never use a 'bypassed' sound. Compressor in the dirt channel to increase harmonics to the drive pedals, delays after both channels to effect everything. Chorus/Flanger in clean channel etc etc Si [/quote] Oh I agree there's more economical ways but with economy I lose versatility and I don't know what sounds I'll use yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 so are these four channels to be used independantly or will you be mixing them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1339667104' post='1692155'] EQ just before the amp for my overall EQ tone shaping that will always be present [/quote] You have EQ on your amp?? [quote name='charic' timestamp='1339667202' post='1692161'] Oh I agree there's more economical ways but with economy I lose versatility and [b]I don't know what sounds I'll use yet[/b] [/quote] Isn't this at odds with your initial statement of "building to a target"? I'm playing devils advocate here mainly Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1339667426' post='1692172'] so are these four channels to be used independantly or will you be mixing them? [/quote] The idea is to mix them after but for each channel to have an on/off [quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1339667722' post='1692182'] You have EQ on your amp?? [/quote] Yeah, but ideally that particular one will be more flexible. A nice parametric would do the job nicely, possibly rackmounted [quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1339667722' post='1692182'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Isn't this at odds with your initial statement of "building to a target"? [/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I'm playing devils advocate here mainly[/font][/color] [/quote] Kinda... but I can strip back once I know what I'll use. And I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Hmmm, for me it wouldn't work. I like the idea of seperate channels and I do that to an extent, but I wouldn't want a clean delay mixed in with dirty bass for example. A 4 loop box, each loop with EQ on and an EQ on the output sounds like a very useful box though, i'm sure SFX would knock one up. also, you need a limiter on the output :-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1339670432' post='1692272'] Hmmm, for me it wouldn't work. I like the idea of seperate channels and I do that to an extent, but I wouldn't want a clean delay mixed in with dirty bass for example. A 4 loop box, each loop with EQ on and an EQ on the output sounds like a very useful box though, i'm sure SFX would knock one up. also, you need a limiter on the output :-p [/quote] Would a limiter really be needed on the output though? If so, why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I like to use a limiter all the time. I use them when mixing to control any peaks. In conjunction with removing the "very lows" (a la thumpinator) I find it gives me more headroom from my amp without any audible changes to my tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1339673054' post='1692358'] I like to use a limiter all the time. I use them when mixing to control any peaks. In conjunction with removing the "very lows" (a la thumpinator) I find it gives me more headroom from my amp without any audible changes to my tone. [/quote] I can understand a thumpinator on the end of the chain but the dynamics should be fairly well controlled throughout. Something to think about there. It seems pretty conclusive that I'm insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I have a Limiter on the out of my board, which I'm considering taking off to be honest. The noise-floor to benifit ratio isn't good enough for me. I still don't see the benifit of having a delay only channel to be honest. Delay after the loops and before the amp, then just turn on and off depending on requirement. I also feel there's a LOT of EQ'ing going on, your sound on each channel will be pointlessly EQ'd as it's then further being affected by the master EQ and then the amp EQ. Much better to find pedals in each loop that you like the sound of straight off the bat Si p.s. I just voted Insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1339676096' post='1692458'] Much better to find pedals in each loop that you like the sound of straight off the bat [/quote] I had honestly not thought of that Although I would definitely want to keep an EQ on the Distortion channel I'm now thinking of moving the "space channel" over to the effects loop of my amp. Maybe something rackmounted like a GMajor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='charic' timestamp='1339676261' post='1692464'] I had honestly not thought of that [/quote] Yeah I think we get caught up with trying to turn pedals into things they're not, we all do it. This is why most pedal-fiends go through so many of the same type of pedal, just trying to find one that sits better sonically within their sound without EQ'ing it to hell I've got an EQ in both my channels (Clean & Dirt), the clean EQ is simply to boost the 50hz, the dirt is to boost mids, but again, I'm looking to perhaps remove the EQ and simply use my comp on a slightly more extreme setting. I think a large amount of this, for me, comes from being the kind of player who plays passive basses into flat-EQ'd amps, all of which I've chosen because their basic flat sound is great. I've always thought of EQ as simple room adjustment as opposed to full-on 'tone sculturing'. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 If I was needing something like that, then I'd look at a good quality multi fx unit so you can just save patches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1339677596' post='1692499'] If I was needing something like that, then I'd look at a good quality multi fx unit so you can just save patches. [/quote] Already thinking that, only problem is... which one! Needs to be easy to configure. I'd like to be able to set it all up on my computer preferably with a drag and drop interface... if that doesn't exsist.. why not?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 [quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1339664722' post='1692094'] Personally I'd move the compressor to the end sonit levels and limits all channels the same and irons out any volume mis-matching between the loops. [/quote] +1 Always stick compression at the end of your chain... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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