Is an '8 X 10' equivalent to a '1 X 80'?? Eh??

[discreet]

[b]Is an '8 X 10' equivalent to a '1 X 80'?? Eh??[/b]


I'll say right now that this is not entirely a serious post, but... If a cab has EIGHT drivers that are TEN inches in diameter... and leaving aside for the moment considerations such as response speed and all that... and of course completely ignoring technical and manufacturing issues...

Does this mean that an 8 X 10 is equivalent to ONE driver EIGHTY INCHES (6' 8") in diameter..?? Or what?? Eh? Eh?

[Marvin]

No.




That's a guess by the way.

[discreet]

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[Mr. Foxen]

You have to square it because it works on area not length. The Pi part cancels out.

[apa]

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1340492541' post='1705346']
You have to square it because it works on area not length. The Pi part cancels out.
[/quote]

Ah so 8 round 10" speakers is the same as 1 square 80" speaker. Thanks for clearing that one up Mr Foxen

A

[TimR]

I would think it was fairly obvious from your diagram. An 8x10" cab would just come up to his armpits.

[chrismuzz]

A square speaker? Would that even work?

[apa]

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1340493366' post='1705360']
A square speaker? Would that even work?
[/quote]

Its 12:26am on a Saturday night/Sunday morning ANYTHING is possible

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[sixdegrees]

My rudimentary maths, and basic knowledge of speakers, tells me that you'd need a 100 x 8 cab to get the equivalent surface area of a 1 x 80 cab.
But it's late so I could be way out.

Edit - I've now realised I've made the calculation based on 8" speakers. Told you it was late.

Edited June 24, 2012 by sixdegrees

[Dad3353]

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1340493366' post='1705360']
A square speaker? Would that even work?
[/quote]
Yes (well, rectangular, actually...) I had a pair of polystyrene speakers (the 'cone' was flat and the polystyrene chassis was ultra-thin...) They were to be hung on a wall in a narrow cab, a bit like a framed painting. They worked very well with my Cambridge hi-fi amp at the time. I'd like another pair, if I got the chance.
As for the 1 x 80 speaker, it's been done. 'Back to the Future', anyone..?

Edited June 24, 2012 by Dad3353

[paul_5]

I had some speakers made of wood once. They wooden work.

Getting my dressing gown (it's early).

[Jazzneck]

8 x 10 = 628ish sq. ins.
1 x 80 = 5025ish sq.ins. and likely to need a humungeous magnet and cab.
Frig it - wouldn't bother, likely to be too heavy, unless I could afford a roadie.
But imagine it built in to the wall of the back of the stage - you could nail yourself to the floor and, BOOM, blow the punters clean out of their cotton socks and seats straight through the exit doors backwards without their feet touching the ground.
Now that would be a show, wouldn't it?

Edited June 24, 2012 by Jazzneck

[TimR]

I wonder if the 8x10 was 1600 watts would that make the 1x80 about 14kW? The internal cables and cooling would have to be huge.

[Tankdave]

8 x 10"s is roughly the same as a single 28" speaker, now that sounds a bit more do-able

[lojo]

To get a single speaker to match the area of an 8x10 you would need a 1x30 (28.28)

[EdwardHimself]

[quote name='apa' timestamp='1340492968' post='1705354']
Ah so 8 round 10" speakers is the same as 1 square 80" speaker. Thanks for clearing that one up Mr Foxen

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[/quote]

LOL.

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1340493366' post='1705360']
A square speaker? Would that even work?
[/quote]

Certainly would. In fact, you can buy them. They're not really strictly "square" though; the corners have to be rounded off to reduce stress on the unit:

Edited June 24, 2012 by EdwardHimself

[essexbasscat]

watch the amp jump off the top like a grasshopper

[bartelby]

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1340493366' post='1705360']
A square speaker? Would that even work?
[/quote]


Apparently

[sprocketflup]

[quote name='Jazzneck' timestamp='1340519381' post='1705456']
8 x 10 = 628ish sq. ins.
1 x 80 = 5025ish sq.ins. and likely to need a humungeous magnet and cab.
Frig it - wouldn't bother, likely to be too heavy, unless I could afford a roadie.
But imagine it built in to the wall of the back of the stage - you could nail yourself to the floor and, BOOM, blow the punters clean out of their cotton socks and seats straight through the exit doors backwards without their feet touching the ground.
Now that would be a show, wouldn't it?
[/quote]
thats just had me howling the baby asleep on my chest was not impressed and isd now also howling, with about the same volume levels as your mythical wall speaker

[xgsjx]

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[steve-bbb]

have you been watching back to the future again?

[discreet]

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1340531193' post='1705587']
have you been watching back to the future again?[/quote]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-Ztvx0w9I"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI-Ztvx0w9I[/url]

[4 Strings]

Question needs more info. I understood it wasn't just the diameter of the speaker but how far they can move in and out. Double the couple of mill they move by a couple more mill and you have the equivalent of two speakers.

Also my turn for this bit:

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[Mr. Foxen]

[quote name='4 Strings' timestamp='1340575308' post='1706582']
Question needs more info. I understood it wasn't just the diameter of the speaker but how far they can move in and out. Double the couple of mill they move by a couple more mill and you have the equivalent of two speakers.
[/quote]

That's a degrees of equivalence thing, if you are talking linear measurements, its all about area, once you get into volume displacement, new game, area still tends toward sensitivity to voltage, but more excursion means more power handling, which can make up your max SPL.

[Jazzneck]

Strewth this is getting technical, or as my old boss used to say, "Bullsh*t Baffles Brains and I ain't got no brains".
I'm off to bed now to refresh and will consider the air movement, sensitivity, coil and magnet requirements along with the heat dissipation questions in the morning.
Goodnight all.

Edited June 24, 2012 by Jazzneck