Lord Sausage Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 As a couple of you may know. I've been pecking heads about ohmage and wattage due to my vast ignorance in all things technical. I've actually learned a little and quite enjoyed it. So i wonder if any of you could give me your opinions on what the pros and cons are between 2x12 cabs and 4x10's, if any! cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Vertical 2x12 will be lighter & have a better dispersion than a standard config 4x10. As for sound, it depends which ones you compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Will a quality 2x12 outpace or almost outpace a decent 4x10? I'm also thinking of getting another 2x12...vertical alignment, (the Neo X212T) but I'm also consdering high end 4x10s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 So what would be the noticeable difference between cabs that went down to 38hz vs 52hz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 [quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1340822450' post='1710183'] So what would be the noticeable difference between cabs that went down to 38hz vs 52hz? [/quote] 14hz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Sorry, couldn't resist. It really depends on what the cab is doing with the 14hz & what it does with it at volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1340822825' post='1710196'] 14hz [/quote] Ha ha. Walked into it really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1340822936' post='1710197'] Sorry, couldn't resist. It really depends on what the cab is doing with the 14hz & what it does with it at volume. [/quote] Just say you have the 52hz one. Does that mean it is less responsive at low frequency? And is 52hz a poor rating?! Edited June 27, 2012 by Lord Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 (edited) The low E on the bass is @ 41hz, the low B on a 5 is @31hz. 52hz is @ Ab. However, the harmonics a note produces are what we often hear & usually an octave up, but trick our mind into thinking it's the root note. The lower hz a cab can produce though = trouser flapping. Edited to say, 52hz sounds like it might be a guitar cab? Edited June 27, 2012 by xgsjx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1340824026' post='1710213'] The low E on the bass is @ 41hz, the low B on a 5 is @31hz. 52hz is @ Ab. However, the harmonics a note produces are what we often hear & usually an octave up, but trick our mind into thinking it's the root note. The lower hz a cab can produce though = trouser flapping. Edited to say, 52hz sounds like it might be a guitar cab? [/quote] i use a 5 string so a 52 hz cab would be no good then. I'm looking at a number of different cabs and just trying to research them. The one at 52hz is a[size=3] [color=#000000][font=verdana, tahoma, arial, helvetica]Gallien Krueger 212MBE 8 Ohm. [/font][/color][/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 If you're looking for a GK 2x12, you'd be better spending a little extra on the Neo 212-II. Why not a 2x10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share Posted June 27, 2012 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1340824813' post='1710224'] If you're looking for a GK 2x12, you'd be better spending a little extra on the Neo 212-II. Why not a 2x10? [/quote] dunno, as you've probably guessed don't know much about this side. I got a 400w marshall head and a Peavey 2x10 and a 1x15 when i was 18, about 15yrs ago and have always used that so never looked into the tech side. Just concentrated on playing. Now its time for new stuff and i know bugger all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 [quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1340822146' post='1710177'] Will a quality 2x12 outpace or almost outpace a decent 4x10?[/quote] The Barefaced Super Twelve I'm currently using is better in [i]every [/i]way than [i]any [/i]4X10 I've ever used. IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Read this, and all the other bits on the site. It will answer not only most of the questions you already have but also quite a few that you haven't thought of yet. http://barefacedbass.com/technical-information.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 From a non-musical front, the 212, if the drivers are vertically aligned, it will have a smaller stage foot-print. Good chance it will be lighter too. These can be important factors, especially if using the cab a lot, and if there are a lot of people in the band. I`ve a 410 which I love, but in one of my bands - an 8 piece - I sometimes wish I had something a bit smaller, save on cluttering up the stage. But I can`t afford another cab, and am in no way getting rid of the 410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG3 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I've just finished a band practice which I didn't take my super 12 and had to use a GK 4x10 Which to me sounded sh*te and couldn't get a decent tone that I can get with all 12 o clock settings on my shuttle 9, I got the bloke there to change the cab as to be fair it sounded like it was on the way out, then gave me a Warwick 4x10 which sounded like I had plugged my lead into a nice wet turd. So in my experience my super 12 beats any cab I have played weather that's a 4x10 x1 or x2 or a 1x15 and 4x10 or 2x10 x 1 or x2............. I think you may get the point I'm tired so excuse my rambling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1340825197' post='1710233'] The Barefaced Super Twelve I'm currently using is better in [i]every [/i]way than [i]any [/i]4X10 I've ever used. IMHO. [/quote] I would go further and say that given a powerful amp it could quite well be the 21st-century equivalent of the 8X10. Oh yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Don't worry what hz the GK cab goes to. All GK cabs sound good even with 5 string basses. A Barefaced Super12T would sound even better, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomBassmonkey Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='S9_S12_Bass' timestamp='1340839181' post='1710505'] I've just finished a band practice which I didn't take my super 12 and had to use a GK 4x10 Which to me sounded sh*te and couldn't get a decent tone that I can get with all 12 o clock settings on my shuttle 9, I got the bloke there to change the cab as to be fair it sounded like it was on the way out, then gave me a Warwick 4x10 which sounded like I had plugged my lead into a nice wet turd. So in my experience my super 12 beats any cab I have played weather that's a 4x10 x1 or x2 or a 1x15 and 4x10 or 2x10 x 1 or x2............. I think you may get the point I'm tired so excuse my rambling [/quote] What GK cab was it? Asking how a 212 compares to a 410 is a bit like asking how a 450w head compares to a 500w head, it's a very general question. If you're looking at specific cabs, it'd be easier to help. The lowest frequency a cab goes to is pretty much irrelevant, the volume it does it at is more important and that's not easy info to get hold of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG3 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Erm I think it was the GLX? Had gold speakers, in fairness it did sound like it had been abused so I didn't want to add to it so stopped using it. For me I've got a sound I like in my head from the super 12 and it's easily noticeable when I'm not using it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 The Gold speaker GK cabs are notoriously bad. The rest get good reviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dincz Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Bear in mind that the cabs don't cut off at 52Hz or whatever. 52Hz is the frequency at which output is 3dB lower than at the reference frequency (often 1KHz). The response will progressively taper off as you go down in frequency but 52Hz is not a limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 You are all legends! The advice has been fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Well I suppose a leg is better than a bell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 [quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1340824366' post='1710218'] ....i use a 5 string so a 52 hz cab would be no good then. I'm looking at a number of different cabs and just trying to research them....[size=3][color=#000000][font=verdana, tahoma, arial, helvetica] [/font][/color][/size] [/quote] As an example, Ampeg 410's have a frequency response of 60Hz-18kHz, according to their web site. Believe me, you can get a ton of low bass, 5 string and other wise, out of one of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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