Stranglers Bass Effects?

[Mr Fretbuzz]

I bought some cheap CDs yesterday including Stranglers hits...... Any idea what kind of pedal can create that JJB growl eg the intro to Peaches? What Bass did he use generally back then..a P?

[gub]

A p and a ripped speaker I think !

[Hobbayne]

[quote name='gub' timestamp='1343980596' post='1758012']
A p and a ripped speaker I think !
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Aye, They loved the sound of the ripped speaker cone, they kept it on for the first 2 albums.

[Mr Fretbuzz]

Ace, I've got a P so I'll put my boot through my practice amp tonight :-D

[Lozz196]

From what I`ve read, JJ used valve guitar amps as well, into the famed ripped cone cab.

[Rayman]

Creating a JJB growl can be difficult, but an NY baseball cap, some Reebok trainers and an Adidas shell suit should get you close.

Seriously though, it's been covered above, valve guitar heads through knackered speakers, via a pick and a Fender Precision. That's all as far as I'm aware.

[BigRedX]

Unfortunately you are all forgetting one of the most important ingredients to the sound: JJ Burnel himself.

Edited August 3, 2012 by BigRedX

[bartelby]

He seems to do a good job these days with his Ashdown setup (lovely amps those JJ500s), so don't go ripping your speakers.

As BRX says, the most important factor is the man himself.

Edited August 3, 2012 by bartelby

[pobrien_ie]

[quote name='Mr Fretbuzz' timestamp='1343982115' post='1758046']
Ace, I've got a P so I'll put my boot through my practice amp tonight :-D
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Thanks for the Friday laugh!

[Mr Fretbuzz]

Cool I've got a baseball cap and I'm getting an Ashdown rig...... And I can play like a JJB sports sales assistant..... :-)

[Spike Vincent]

COMPRESSION

[Muzz]

Yep, Spike's on the money there, too - IIRC Martin Rushent compressed the sound very heavily in the studio.

[Leon Transaxle]

I got a fairly good JJB sound recently using a P and Guitar RIg 4 using the 'Skream Bass' patch (I think) which is basically drive, compression and a bit of EQ.

[Spike Vincent]

Ok,THE JJ Burnel classic rig:

Unique 58 ( I think ) hand painted green sunburst rosewood fingerboard Fender P with Rotosounds
50w HiWatt guitar head
Marshall 2 x 15
Marshall 4 x 12 with knackered speakers

MONSTEROUS amounts of compression in the studio

And,as has been rightly pointed out by many,
JJ Burnell.

[BassTractor]

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1343984209' post='1758106']
Unfortunately you are all forgetting one of the most important ingredients to the sound: JJ Burnel himself.
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Actually, they didn't reveal what they had or had not forgotten. I would assume it's fairly known by now that the musician does have some input to the sound, so we can safely omit repeating that tidbit of shared knowledge every other sentence.



[quote name='Mr Fretbuzz' timestamp='1343982115' post='1758046']
Ace, I've got a P so I'll put my boot through my practice amp tonight :-D
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Won't get you there. You forget ( ) the most important bit: his half sawn through, oscillating neck!
Borrow my tools?

best,
bert

Edited August 3, 2012 by BassTractor

[spongebob]

I can get a JJB-ish sound from my US P, with lots of treble on!

[rogerstodge]

I go thru my tech 21 sansamp bass driver, not spot on but close enough, oh and a P bass obviously.

[merello]

Think JJB used a Hiwatt Guitar rig for his bass work early on!

[The Dark Lord]

I can get a reasonable approximation of the JJ sound - which works for me at least - using a P Bass through a Line 6 X3 Live floorboard. I use a crystal clean sound on either of my amps and put (strangely) the Ampeg SVT and 8x10 emulation through it with an off-axis SM57 (again emulated via the Line 6). Then I add a managed amount of gain on the amp simulation and a barely noticeable touch of emulated Boss Digital Delay (or an actual DD6 Pedal). But hardly anything on that there delay. Finally, a touch of compression to make it all a less "hairy arsed" - again using the emulated compression. Works for me. A lot of tweaking and listening over a whole afternoon by myself at home got it there - and I saved the setting for ever more. Some bloke said I made Tainted Love sound like Peaches. I bought him a pint.

[BassTractor]

[quote name='The Dark Lord' timestamp='1344267610' post='1761967']
reasonable approximation of the JJ sound[/quote]

Wow! That was one great read. Dunno why, but my ears were all red listening to you explain this. For the fun of it, I'll see what I can do with the Zoom while using your recipe. If it doesn't work, I'll just put a boot in the MAG, a boot in the Zoom, and a boot in the B2B. Must work.

Thanks!

best,
bert

[Spike Vincent]

I'm surprised no one has made an FX pedal with a "ripped speaker" setting yet.

[BassTractor]

[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1344276522' post='1762166']
I'm surprised no one has made an FX pedal with a "ripped speaker" setting yet.
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Wow! Great idea!
Calling Hugh McKenna! Calling Hugh McKenna! Can Mr. Hugh McKenna build a [b]Myrtle Ripped Cone[/b], please?

[Spike Vincent]

Just remember where you saw it first..

[Stacker]

I recall JJB being interviewed about 'the Barracuda bass sound'. He also said that a lot of it had to do with that green-glo P-bass and how, looking for a back-up, he'd tried dozens before he found one that sounded close to it.. Must go visit [i]Rattus Norvegicus[/i] just to here that tone as I remember it!

[rogerstodge]

Has he still got that green p bass? I know he uses a black shuker now.