Bassjon Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Weird- quite a few people have said Hysteria by Muse. I found that one easy to master, after all its all done on the open strings and its not too fast. An open string song I DO have trouble with - One by Metallica. At 214bpm triplet fingerstyle that is impossible! Im at about 180bpm. Although Cliff Burton 'fluffed over' a lot of his fast parts with sloppy playing so I'm sure I can get away with it if he can ! ps - And yes I know Jason played on that song, I'm just saying if you listen to Cliff on songs like Disposable Heroes the playing is VERY sloppy pps - please dont complain that I am dissing Cliff. I love Cliff I am merely stating if you listen to his isolated tracks they are not perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anaxcrosswords Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 One of the great things about the bass is just how sloppy/noisy you can be but how much of that gets hidden in the mix. Can’t remember which one it was now, but I found the original bassline to a Duran Duran song on YouTube; it’s a great line but it sounds terrible when isolated. The playing is tight enough but there’s a load of fret noise and pickup hits, even a very clumsy punch-in edit. But put the whole musical package together and it sounds great. We get away with quite a lot! On the subject of Hysteria, sometimes the open strings become the problem, for me anyway. Instead of trying to hit every note I do a load of hammer-ons, but there are points – in pretty much every verse phrase – where you’re forced to change the hit/hammer-on rhythm and it really catches me out. Given more time I’m sure I’ll nail it (or get close). Perversely, and simply because of my, er, digital deficiencies, I find the chorus harder than the verses, just can’t move the thumb quick enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootleg Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 [quote name='jonnythenotes' timestamp='1423248398' post='2682850'] Easiest way to play Sir Duke is by keeping your wrist fixed at your start point, and play the lot using only one octave....The whole thing is done using a tight pattern, and your hand never moves up or down. Some how it looks even more amazing than flying up and down the neck, as even though it is only using one octave, in a band environment, it sounds no different, apart from all the bottom end DOESN'T drop out in the high register parts.. Try it...7 notes and no hand movement whatsoever.. [/quote] I like it. Not sure it's easier, maybe if I hadn't been practising this for so long, but in the band setting I like the idea of keeping the bottom end, with 3 horns, a guitarist and I playing in unison (in theory). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubit Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I didn't find hysteria that bad. Rhythm stick , however, is solid! YYZ, I just can't seem to get it up to speed, but then again, I haven't spent more than 20 minutes on either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 [quote name='Bassjon' timestamp='1423593899' post='2686829'] Weird- quite a few people have said Hysteria by Muse. I found that one easy to master, after all its all done on the open strings and its not too fast. An open string song I DO have trouble with - One by Metallica. At 214bpm triplet fingerstyle that is impossible! Im at about 180bpm. [/quote] Shows how different we all are as players. As you can tell from a lot of people saying, Hysteria is hard for a lot of people. Or variably hard. I can do it with one finger, but doing it as I want to do (and as the original) with two fingers, I can do it, but getting it to sound smooth and consistant is pretty hard. One on the other hand, that is something I find pretty easy, as you can do fast groups of three finger triplets on it and as you say, it doesn't have to be tight, it can be pretty sloppy and sound right, which makes it easy enough. For me that is what makes most things hard. I can do rhythm stick now, but I can't do it *well* because my fingering is not smooth enough, sting playing consistency isn't right, some notes are louder than others and on that track it does matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Hysteria always got me when going back to the A & then repeating the riff. One that I really enjoy playing, but not well enough to play thoroughly, is Wynona's Big Brown Beaver by Primus. The main riff is one that puts a smile on my face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaypup Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 [quote name='jonnythenotes' timestamp='1423248398' post='2682850'] Easiest way to play Sir Duke is by keeping your wrist fixed at your start point, and play the lot using only one octave....The whole thing is done using a tight pattern, and your hand never moves up or down. Some how it looks even more amazing than flying up and down the neck, as even though it is only using one octave, in a band environment, it sounds no different, apart from all the bottom end DOESN'T drop out in the high register parts.. Try it...7 notes and no hand movement whatsoever.. [/quote] Excuse me for being thick but how? Start note on the unison run is low F# and the top note is Eb almost 3 octaves above it. Even playing on a 5 string theres 13 frets between bottom and top. Do you have a video of what you mean? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassjon Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 [quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1423642562' post='2687257'] Shows how different we all are as players. As you can tell from a lot of people saying, Hysteria is hard for a lot of people. Or variably hard. I can do it with one finger, but doing it as I want to do (and as the original) with two fingers, I can do it, but getting it to sound smooth and consistant is pretty hard. One on the other hand, that is something I find pretty easy, as you can do fast groups of three finger triplets on it and as you say, it doesn't have to be tight, it can be pretty sloppy and sound right, which makes it easy enough. For me that is what makes most things hard. I can do rhythm stick now, but I can't do it *well* because my fingering is not smooth enough, sting playing consistency isn't right, some notes are louder than others and on that track it does matter. [/quote] I play One with 2 fingers..... maybe I'll try 3 : ) Rhythm Stick on the other hand it seems is hard for EVERYONE, me included! I can't play it tight to speed at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyK Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 3 finger triplets unlocked loads of songs for me... "One" included Another one is Twisted by Skunk Anansie. It is seriously tough to play it exactly as he plays it I reckon Rhythm Stick is one of those songs where i can nail all the little sections every now and then, but never seem to be able to stick it all together.. more homework needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassjon Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 [quote name='TommyK' timestamp='1423648041' post='2687332'] Another one is Twisted by Skunk Anansie. It is seriously tough to play it exactly as he plays it I reckon Rhythm Stick is one of those songs where i can nail all the little sections every now and then, but never seem to be able to stick it all together.. more homework needed [/quote] Same with me, bro! Just thought of another that gets me - Same Old Song (Jamerson I believe?). The verse and chorus are very alike and at speed that takes up all m y concentration. Especially as my band do it in a flat key so there's no open strings. Ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anaxcrosswords Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Just thought of another too, although as I’ve never tried it I can’t say just how difficult it is – [b]Boogie Nights[/b] (Heatwave) has been on our suggestions list for a while but I really don’t fancy that intro! Is it as hard as I think it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No lust in Jazz Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 [quote name='anaxcrosswords' timestamp='1423745997' post='2688509'] Just thought of another too, although as I’ve never tried it I can’t say just how difficult it is – [b]Boogie Nights[/b] (Heatwave) has been on our suggestions list for a while but I really don’t fancy that intro! Is it as hard as I think it is? [/quote] No - I've not played it with a band, but as I recall its a piece of cake.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happynoj Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Some Skunk Funk by the Brecker Brothers. It's not so much the notes, its the speed of the thing. No idea how anyone can keep up with the live versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Riva Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 [quote name='Nicko' timestamp='1423581580' post='2686593'] Inspied by this thread I have been attempting Rhythm Stick. Seems like my right hand technique will need some work to get it to race pace, and my left hand needs work on that Gsharp pinkie stretch. I need a lie down [/quote] I found this guy's video really helpful.. http://youtu.be/-vc7HS2c1rE It's just as tricky slowed down, mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No lust in Jazz Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I find this generates a "sweat" particularly from the interlude 02:10 onwards [media]http://youtu.be/1HJp-rHZOhQ[/media] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Thought Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 The middle bit of the extended version of Black Betty I found a swine. We only do the single version, always goes down a storm. Perhaps we should give the long version a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 [quote name='Old Man Riva' timestamp='1423765969' post='2688844'] I found this guy's video really helpful.. [media]http://youtu.be/-vc7HS2c1rE[/media] It's just as tricky slowed down, mind! [/quote] Slowed down is not too bad, full speed is a challenge, but the 130 bpm is just incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crez5150 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 For me it took me longer than usual to learn this song..... Especially the bass break at around 3:00 http://youtu.be/FOx81aG-EN4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happynoj Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 [quote name='crez5150' timestamp='1423822931' post='2689355'] For me it took me longer than usual to learn this song..... Especially the bass break at around 3:00 [media]http://youtu.be/FOx81aG-EN4[/media] [/quote] It took me a while to get this one down as well, but now I can nail it at half speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 For speed and stamina Rio and Rhythm Stick are right up there, for complexity and getting just right, Haitian Divorce and Babooshka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anaxcrosswords Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 [b]Rio [/b]is a good one. Never played it with a band but when I got an Aria bass about 25 years ago I tried to copy some JT lines, one of which was Rio. Can’t remember if I ever nailed it, but it’s the only bassline I’ve ever tried where I think having only a thumb to play with actually became an advantage – it could work like a plectrum but with none of the unwanted noise and, if kept close to the strings, could even dampen notes as a plectrum maybe couldn’t. It’s a major disadvantage for octave work though. [b]Everybody Dance[/b] is one we may be asked to do by request for a wedding (awaiting news on that) and those double octave hits – at that speed – will be close to impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacey Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 River Boat song. It is so repetitive and tedious that concentration slips to day dream mode and I lose track of how may repetitions of the repetition are left before the next repetition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Jones Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 That Rhythm Stick YT video is missing a note from the verse part btw - the little chromatic run up from the F is played against a C# pedal note. Took me five years to figure that out - before t'internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 [quote name='Brother Jones' timestamp='1423943045' post='2690746'] Took me five years to figure that out - before t'internet. [/quote] I'd actually forgotten there was a time before the Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierreganseman Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMfxKYEN_KQ tim Lefave... one of the few things that still makes me cry lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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