The Producer's: Trevor Horn "Two Tribes" bassline

[daz]

[quote name='iconic' timestamp='1346956304' post='1795372']
...could be Harold Bishop on bass...?
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So that's where Harold Bishop disappeared to all those years he was missing out of Neighbours

[leftyhook]

not read all of the posts, but Lol Creme on guitar there?

[Zenitram]

Yes.

[Highfox]

I thought the Frankie and TH's Bass sounds were great in all those vids, what a great producer, arranger and musician he is/was.
Never knew he played some of the stuff himself always thought he just got Muso's in for his ideas.

Edited September 7, 2012 by Highfox

[MusicJunkie]

I love that video! I'm a huge fan of seeing how those incredibly well-produced tracks come together.

[Stacker]

[quote name='iconic' timestamp='1346956304' post='1795372']
...could be Harold Bishop on bass...?
[/quote]ROFL

[mep]

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1346968082' post='1795598']
Complete bollocks. Two Tribes existed as a song long before FGTH were involved with Trevor Horn and ZTT.



There certainly was a version recorded with some of the Blockheads playing on it. How much of that ended up on the actual release probably only Trevor Horn and whoever did the Fairlight programming of Relax knows. The article I remember said that while the Blockheads were more accomplished musicians than Frankie, their version still didn't have the feel that Trevor Horn was after.
[/quote]

Thanks for putting me and probably many others right, albeit in a very subtle way

[apa]

[quote name='iconic' timestamp='1346956266' post='1795368']
That old boy can still play a bass! Interesting series of vids, seems there maybe/was a CD out?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBWY8oAnnww[/media]
[/quote]

What a beautiful folk tune! Almost prog and worthy of Jethro Tull. That would make a realy good cover for someone of that ilk. Love it. Never realised that Trevor Horn was such a good bass player!

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[RichF]

what's his bass?

[Green Alsatian]

[quote name='apa' timestamp='1347104544' post='1796974']
What a beautiful folk tune! Almost prog and worthy of Jethro Tull. That would make a realy good cover for someone of that ilk. Love it. Never realised that Trevor Horn was such a good bass player![/quote]

He is indeed - have a listen to The Buggles albums 'The Plastic Age' and 'Adventures In Modern Recording' for more of Trev on bass. Going from the 'Video Killed The Radio Star' video, he could have been using an Aria SB-1000 on them.

[bartelby]

Ryan Molloy is a pretty good replacement!

I still listen to the 1st FGTH album now and again...

[Cosmo Valdemar]

Lol 'Laugh Out Loud' Creme!

[silverfoxnik]

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1346968082' post='1795598']
Complete bollocks. Two Tribes existed as a song long before FGTH were involved with Trevor Horn and ZTT.
[/quote]

+1

Story I heard on this many years ago is that the original FGTH band were big fans of Bow Wow Wow and that the bass line from 'Pleasure Dome' is a bit of a steal from a bassline in a song called 'Elimination dancing' by Bow Wow Wow (written and played by the amazing Leigh Gorman)..

I love the FGTH album and have always thought Trevor Horn is an amazing producer, but there are some similarities.. See what you think:

recorded version:
[media]http://youtu.be/_7zTwEcHvlc[/media]

Live version:
[media]http://youtu.be/uMJc3qFZgPY[/media]

[toneknob]

[quote name='Zenitram' timestamp='1346962177' post='1795488']
As is this from the same gig.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPiqwvbegq0[/media]

And Anne Dudley is the coolest person in the whole world.
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For prog fans, and to extend the Trev connection, that's Alan White and Geoff Downes from Yes on drums and keys there.

Edited October 26, 2012 by toneknob

[toneknob]

And again from that gig - Propaganda doing Dr Mabuse

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEDeyWQqoE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEDeyWQqoE[/url]

[Zenitram]

Bit of Trev on double bass with the AoN gang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4THY1v3a5k

Edited March 24, 2014 by icastle
Link fixed.

[Conan]

[quote name='toneknob' timestamp='1351258044' post='1849357']
For prog fans, and to extend the Trev connection, that's Alan White and Geoff Downes from Yes on drums and keys there.
[/quote]

Remember that TH himself was in Yes for a while too.... certainly sang on the Drama album.

[BassBus]

[quote name='Zenitram' timestamp='1351258686' post='1849369']
Bit of Trev on double bass with the AoN gang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4THY1v3a5k [/quote]

And there was me thinking "what the b#$$£% hell is Paul Morley doing up there"? But then I remembered...

Edited March 24, 2014 by icastle
Link fixed.

[jaybass 70]

Resurrection of an old thread alert !!! hi guys, Our band are going to give two tribes a go, any idea what effects are used on the bassline ? I'm playing the bass line ok but it sounds a bit flat, I have a zoom B9 so I have loads of effects to play with thanks in advance.

[SteveK]

I think the record had a mix of real and sampled bass, but no matter! I'd start with a bright mid-scooped preset that I'm sure your B9 has, with maybe a hint of chorus.
But FX aside, for my money the most important aspect of getting the authentic 2 tribes sound is the bass and guitar getting their parts and timing absolutely nailed. Now stick fours on the floor (that's 4s on the kick drum for you non-groovers) - then watch the punters feet immediately start tapping.

[lowdown]

[quote name='Zenitram' timestamp='1351258686' post='1849369']
Bit of Trev on double bass with the AoN gang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4THY1v3a5k
[/quote]

The wonderful Anne Dudley on Piano and Keys there.
I think she was involved with Two Tribes as well.
Fantastic composing and session career behind her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Dudley

Edited March 24, 2014 by icastle
Link fixed.

[jaybass 70]

Thanks Steve , I'll give that a go later , thought I could detect a bit of chorus too , maybe a touch of octaver ? I'm playing it with a pick and at the moment it sounds best on my Ibanez atk, I want to get it as close as possible . [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1389269410' post='2332076']
I think the record had a mix of real and sampled bass, but no matter! I'd start with a bright mid-scooped preset that I'm sure your B9 has, with maybe a hint of chorus.
But FX aside, for my money the most important aspect of getting the authentic 2 tribes sound is the bass and guitar getting their parts and timing absolutely nailed. Now stick fours on the floor (that's 4s on the kick drum for you non-groovers) - then watch the punters feet immediately start tapping.
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[BigRedX]

Because the version on the record is essentially a handful of single bass notes sampled and sequenced, as SteveK says it's all about accuracy of timing and dynamics to recreate that Fairlight CMI Page R feel.

[KevB]

Fairlight vs III was about as sophisticated as they got. In the mid '80's they would set you back FIFTY GRAND Just think think what you could buy for that money back then or even now! No wonder it was mainly the top studios who had them or big established names. Engineers probably had nightmares about a cup of coffee going over one...

Edited January 10, 2014 by KevB