Can anyone help with this? Getting so frustrated.

[lojo]

This is one of those songs where you can really have fun

Learn the roots , then add the passing notes with the feel you hear on the record

I'm guilty of never really learning the exact baseline on this and playing it slightly different each time depending on what the band is made up of and how much space there is

[EssentialTension]

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1347799078' post='1805072']
was it Carol Kaye on the monkees studio version?
[/quote]
I'm guessing Joe Osborn.

[steve-bbb]

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1347866507' post='1805784']
I'm guessing Joe Osborn.
[/quote]

i heard an interview somewhere where she said she had played that session - maybe she's done so many she cant remember them all

edit - [url="http://www.allmusic.com/album/listen-to-the-band-mw0000675366/credits"]Listen to the Band[/url] album has 18 different bass players credited for the whole album and includes Joe Osborn but doesnt say which track

Edited September 17, 2012 by steve-bbb

[Evil Undead]

It was Carol Kaye

[EssentialTension]

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1347867308' post='1805794']
i heard an interview somewhere where she said she had played that session - maybe she's done so many she cant remember them all

edit - [url="http://www.allmusic.com/album/listen-to-the-band-mw0000675366/credits"]Listen to the Band[/url] album has 18 different bass players credited for the whole album and includes Joe Osborn but doesnt say which track
[/quote]
Wikipedia says:[list]
[*]Written by Neil Diamond
[*]Lead vocal by Micky Dolenz
[*]Backing Vocals by Micky Dolenz, Davy Jones & Peter Tork
[*]Guitar: Neil Diamond
[*]Drums: Buddy Salzman
[*]Other personnel unknown
[*]Produced by Jeff Barry
[/list]

[EssentialTension]

[quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1347867618' post='1805797']
It was Carol Kaye
[/quote]
Very possibly, but how do we know?

[Evil Undead]

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1347867887' post='1805802']

Very possibly, but how do we know?
[/quote]

If it wasn't her, I don't think she would be allowed to put it up on her website someone would have kicked off by now if it were false

http://www.carolkaye.com/www/library/basshits.htm

[EssentialTension]

[quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1347868494' post='1805811']
If it wasn't her, I don't think she would be allowed to put it up on her website someone would have kicked off by now if it were false

[url="http://www.carolkaye.com/www/library/basshits.htm"]http://www.carolkaye...ry/basshits.htm[/url]
[/quote]
Ha Ha!

[Fat Rich]

[quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1347868494' post='1805811']
If it wasn't her, I don't think she would be allowed to put it up on her website someone would have kicked off by now if it were false

[url="http://www.carolkaye.com/www/library/basshits.htm"]http://www.carolkaye...ry/basshits.htm[/url]
[/quote]

You know she's claiming to have played half of James Jamerson's lines at Motown despite other musicians and producers saying she didn't?

It's a shame, she's a great player but it's not doing her credibility any good.

[steve-bbb]

[quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1347867618' post='1805797']
It was Carol Kaye
[/quote]

yes very good but you are going to post the definitive youtube imabeliever bass playalong when youve nailed it aren't you??

[gapiro]

Agree, thats not an easy one to listen to and work out.
One that I clicked yesterday was the verse of luther vandross, never too much. sounds simple, but the timing is just extraordinary...

[Evil Undead]

[quote name='Fat Rich' timestamp='1347871221' post='1805848']
You know she's claiming to have played half of James Jamerson's lines at Motown despite other musicians and producers saying she didn't?

It's a shame, she's a great player but it's not doing her credibility any good.
[/quote]

Really? What a strange thing to do. Why is she doing that?

[John Schoen]

Nobody knows, she has a very impressive resume even without those claims. Here is a bit about that: http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/magic/kaye/

[Lord Sausage]

My favourite part of this thread is how someone called Evil Undead is playing The Monkees. love the juxtaposition

[Lord Sausage]

With regard to the Jamerson vs Kaye thing, surely you can tell just by the playing that it's him and not her. All the bullshit is unnecessary!

[Evil Undead]

[quote name='John Schoen' timestamp='1347912655' post='1806633']
Nobody knows, she has a very impressive resume even without those claims. Here is a bit about that: http://chnm.gmu.edu/courses/magic/kaye/
[/quote]

Interesting reading, thanks

[Evil Undead]

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1347913113' post='1806651']
My favourite part of this thread is how someone called Evil Undead is playing The Monkees. love the juxtaposition
[/quote]

[steve-bbb]

let us know when youve gigged it and hope it goes well

[Floyd]

I use VLC media player when I'm trying to work something out. You can slow tracks down but still keep the pitch the same......and it's free.

[Grand Wazoo]

[url="http://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/monkees-i-m-a-believer-guitar-tab-s23445t1"]http://www.songsterr.com/a/wsa/monkees-i-m-a-believer-guitar-tab-s23445t1[/url]

[Thurbs]

Regarding the open not being a very good player... just get yourself 3 lessons from a good teacher and learn some basic theory. With that base knowledge song like this take about 5 minutes to learn. Then you realise how most rock/pop/blues all take about 5 minutes to learn! Saves loads and loads of time if you put some effort in up front.

[thumperbob 2002]

[quote name='Thurbs' timestamp='1348642272' post='1816214']
Regarding the open not being a very good player... just get yourself 3 lessons from a good teacher and learn some basic theory. With that base knowledge song like this take about 5 minutes to learn. Then you realise how most rock/pop/blues all take about 5 minutes to learn! Saves loads and loads of time if you put some effort in up front.
[/quote]

+1

I remember the days when you had to use a record to work basslines out- now with Youtube and the internet most people dont need ears at all. Think I did this one for my first gig- think I was about 14 and had to learn 20 songs in a couple of weeks, and this one I had to sing too. Could probably do this in a day now.

I still think it is great practice to learn these types of song note for note. It may be difficult at the start but do this regularly and it becomes easier and easier.

Only if you are having dificulty should you refer to Youtube etc- Most Tab is terrible and hardly ever right.Or start taking lessons and your teacher should show you how to work something like this out. Giving you the tools for the job so to speak.