Hobbayne Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I am running through this at home ready for rehearsal with the band, when I came across the isolated bass part on you tube. There is no way this is John Deacon playing this! - Its not very well played if it is!! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aNogqF7Bac&feature=related[/media] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrig Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) If that's John Deacon, then I ain't so bad after all! Edited October 10, 2012 by thebrig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest McBass Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Uncompressed and raw...yeah rawk on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 [quote name='McBass' timestamp='1349906110' post='1832226'] Uncompressed and raw...yeah rawk on! [/quote] I like it for that. And add just the drums in and I reckon it would sound very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest McBass Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1349908357' post='1832261'] I like it for that. And add just the drums in and I reckon it would sound very nice. [/quote] Me too dude...i think our ears have grown acustomed to quantised processed twaddle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismanbass Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 tbh it doesn't really make that much difference in the final mix a lot of basses sound terrible isolated but awesome in the mix agreed his subdivisions are all over the place on some parts but you have to consider would you hear that within the track i would imagine the producer thought probably not and so just left the part alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest McBass Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Chrismanbass' timestamp='1349909400' post='1832275'] tbh it doesn't really make that much difference in the final mix a lot of basses sound terrible isolated but awesome in the mix agreed his subdivisions are all over the place on some parts but you have to consider would you hear that within the track i would imagine the producer thought probably not and so just left the part alone [/quote] And it probably was a performance take with Roger Taylor......so all in all, John Deacon f***ing rocks in my books! Edited October 10, 2012 by McBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judo Chop Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Sounds alright to me! Whoever wrote that top comment on YouTube though is a grade A helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2112 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Is that from a live recording? The studio version sounds similar but actually comes across as pretty tight when the drums are added in. In a live situation, particularly a live one, we all know it can be a bit of a crap shoot sometimes! Lovely tone too, never though I'd say that about a P bass unless Tony Butler was playing it! Queen couldn't half knock out a good tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Impossible to judge without the drum track alongside, what sounds like a timing imperfection in isolation might be the backbone of the groove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2112 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 And as mentioned above, it's some real rock, not the robotic, quantised rubbish that gets batted about these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Undead Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Sounds great to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Who cares what it's like solo'd? The track sounds great. That's Deacy for you - a proper 'band' bass player. It's all about the song. That's what bothers me about recording these days - so much emphasis and time spent on fixing microscopic details and polishing individual tracks. Yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Agree, a mate of mine has a "project" and the recordings are technically perfect, but to me they sound like they`ve been sterilised. Give me an exciting track played a little shambolically, with dynamics any day, over a technically perfect sterilised flatlined song. Edited October 11, 2012 by Lozz196 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Funnily enough I spent ages getting everything spot on on one of the songs for my bands album.. by itself it sounds shocking to say the least. In the mix it sounds pretty damn good if I do say so myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrig Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 [quote name='Jack Cahalane' timestamp='1349914825' post='1832320'] Sounds alright to me! Whoever wrote that top comment on YouTube though is a grade A helmet. [/quote] I assume you are referring to me! Well it was a "tongue-in- cheek" comment about [u]MY[/u] ability, and not meant as a criticism of [u]HIS[/u] playing! I play in a covers band, and our gigs are mainly in small venues and pubs, and I have only ever been in a studio once, and that was to record a three-song demo CD When I heard my playing isolated afterwards, I was a bit disappointed, but hearing great players isolated too, helps you to realise that maybe that is what it is meant to sound like, and after the final mix, I was happy, as I cut through nicely, and my playing actually sounded smooth and warm. Just an observation, lately, I've noticed that quite a few BC'ers are resorting to insulting comments, when they disagree with other people's views, disagree by all means, but things like "grade A helmet" and worse, are totally unnecessary, and not really what the BassChat community is all about. You see! I disagree with you, but I don't need to insult you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 [quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1349942464' post='1832406'] I assume you are referring to me! [/quote] I don't think he was - I think he's referring to the comment by MegaBradley01. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottswarwick Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I've just drummed along to it, and it sounds great. Roger and John made a very nice dynamic and fluid rhythm section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynepunkdude Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Played this in WWRY, it's sh*te how ever it's played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismanbass Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 [quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1349942464' post='1832406'] Just an observation, lately, I've noticed that quite a few BC'ers are resorting to insulting comments, when they disagree with other people's views, disagree by all means, but things like "grade A helmet" and worse, are totally unnecessary, and not really what the BassChat community is all about. You see! I disagree with you, but I don't need to insult you. [/quote] i think he was referring to someone on youtube rather than you here on bass chat the top comment on the video is someone who says this [color=#333333][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3][left]Oh my God. A dilettante. Ever heard of the phrase "playing in time", Mr. Deacon? And he made millions with this crap. Now I know why I never liked to listen to Queen excessively, although the compositions are magnificent, incredible, ingenious. But with this rhythm section? "Don't move dont't groove", is this Deacon's and Taylor's motto? Taylor is constantly beside the beat just as well. And they, seriously, put this on a record?[/left][/size][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3][left] f***ing sh*t. I would have kicked them out of the studio.[/left][/size][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2][left][url="http://www.youtube.com/user/MegaBradley01"]MegaBradley01[/url] [/left][/size][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2][left][size=4]hence the tag of "grade a helmet"[/size][/left][/size][/font][/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted October 11, 2012 Author Share Posted October 11, 2012 [quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1349943180' post='1832423'] I've just drummed along to it, and it sounds great. Roger and John made a very nice dynamic and fluid rhythm section. [/quote] Ok great! - It just seemed to my ears that the timing was out. I must say how different it sounds on its own though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I think most of the negative comments are from people who don't understand how ensemble music works from the POV of the individual instruments. It's largely ignorance really. The bass sounds a bit sloppy on its own, of course it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrig Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 [quote name='Chrismanbass' timestamp='1349945505' post='1832459'] i think he was referring to someone on youtube rather than you here on bass chat the top comment on the video is someone who says this Oh my God. A dilettante. Ever heard of the phrase "playing in time", Mr. Deacon? And he made millions with this crap. Now I know why I never liked to listen to Queen excessively, although the compositions are magnificent, incredible, ingenious. But with this rhythm section? "Don't move dont't groove", is this Deacon's and Taylor's motto? Taylor is constantly beside the beat just as well. And they, seriously, put this on a record? [color=#333333][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]f***ing sh*t. I would have kicked them out of the studio.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2][url="http://www.youtube.com/user/MegaBradley01"]MegaBradley01[/url] [/size][/font][/color] [color=#333333][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2][size=4]hence the tag of "grade a helmet"[/size][/size][/font][/color] [/quote] Ah! I thought that as my comment was the the first, and therefore at the top, I assumed that he was referring to me. And I suppose it could sound like I am saying, "[i]if that's the best he can do, then maybe I ain't so bad after all[/i]", although obviously, I wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottswarwick Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 [quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1349945735' post='1832465'] Ok great! - It just seemed to my ears that the timing was out. I must say how different it sounds on its own though! [/quote] [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1349945970' post='1832469'] I think most of the negative comments are from people who don't understand how ensemble music works from the POV of the individual instruments. It's largely ignorance really. The bass sounds a bit sloppy on its own, of course it does. [/quote] I think it just shows how older / classic recordings are not quantized to a click. They move around, speed up, slow down, push and pull - it is this human element that gives things their unique feel. Couple of examples: Chic - Good Times - I heard a recording of the bassline solo'd - form a radio programme (wish I still had it). On it's own it is way behind the beat, and sloppy, but with drums that are bang on the nail it just breathes and grooves. I think many of us know that is is a charateristic or Mr Edwards, one of the finest players to grace the instrument. The Police - Stewart Copeland's drumming is constantly pushing in many songs - not speeding up, but simply right at the front of what is possible in terms of the pocket. Sting however, is a tasteful if slightly sloppy and very laid back player. together it works to give the songs their own sound. And apparently this is why they always used to fall out. There are millions more examples. It makes music human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 [quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1349950054' post='1832533'] I think it just shows how older / classic recordings are not quantized to a click. They move around, speed up, slow down, push and pull - it is this human element that gives things their unique feel. Couple of examples: Chic - Good Times - I heard a recording of the bassline solo'd - form a radio programme (wish I still had it). On it's own it is way behind the beat, and sloppy, but with drums that are bang on the nail it just breathes and grooves. I think many of us know that is is a charateristic or Mr Edwards, one of the finest players to grace the instrument. The Police - Stewart Copeland's drumming is constantly pushing in many songs - not speeding up, but simply right at the front of what is possible in terms of the pocket. Sting however, is a tasteful if slightly sloppy and very laid back player. together it works to give the songs their own sound. And apparently this is why they always used to fall out. There are millions more examples. It makes music human. [/quote] I can never understand why anyone would take a constituent of the whole and judge it in isolation. It's like enjoying a wonderful plate of food then eating half a teaspoon of salt and being surprised it tastes horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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