Fake Rickies

[mickthebass]

[color=#000000]Talk about fake rickies take a look at this lot, we’d better tell the CEO about this it on evilbay Item number 230878499400 what a hoot. “Sound Cartel” wah whatever next. [/color]


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They've actually quoted a review from this very forum too!

[mickthebass]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=5]I thought this forum was against cloners and fakers. Now we are giving them positive revues, no wonder Rickenbackers C.E.O. is complaining . Although it is not all that cheap! £599! Someone will have to make up their mind on policy? I mean, have you read this:-[/size]
[size=5]A review from online forum Basschat had this to say.[/size]
[size=5][i]This bass is made from maple body and maple neck through construction same as a [color=#FF0000]genuine ric[/color], the neck has a rosewood fretboard with triangular pearl inlays and a heavy laquer finish again the same as a [color=#FF0000]genuine ric[/color]. the electronic side of the bass now, it comes as standard with seymour duncan [color=#FF0000]rickenbacker[/color] replacement pickups which cost around £200, i took the scratch plate off to have a look at the wiring and the work seems to be of a high standard and high quality wiring is used, the paint job is of a high standard the sheer quality of sound this bass produces if it had [color=#FF0000]rickenbacker[/color] written on it you would be happy trust me on that!! i cant put this bass down it just sounds better and better, for £599 its a great buy and if you are looking for a [color=#FF0000]ricK tone [/color]but dont want to pay the big bucks , and a[color=#000000]part from the obscenely ugly headstock [/color]i can recommend this bass 100%.[/i][/size][/font]

[pete.young]

[quote name='mickthebass' timestamp='1352315749' post='1861588']
[font=comic sans ms,cursive][size=5]I thought this forum was against cloners and fakers. [/size][/font]
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I think you need to go and do a bit more research. And use a smaller font, there's a good chap.

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[quote name='pete.young' timestamp='1352315890' post='1861590']


I think you need to go and do a bit more research. And use a smaller font, there's a good chap.
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[mickthebass]

How sad it is to end your comments with pretentious quotations. How did it go?
“Just another turd floating in the toilet bowl of life”

[chrismuzz]

Interesting thread

[Mr. Foxen]

So you concluded the forum was against clones from the glowing review posted here, and the multiple threads regarding them and how good they are?

Edit: Congrats on getting the smaller font nailed though.

Edited November 7, 2012 by Mr. Foxen

[simon1964]

As far as I can tell, we're only against clones when LaBella start making Precision copies

[mcnach]

[quote name='mickthebass' timestamp='1352316671' post='1861608']
How sad it is to end your comments with pretentious quotations. How did it go?
“Just another turd floating in the toilet bowl of life”
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gem of a guy you are, eh? welcome to basschat

[mickthebass]

I really must apologize to all the members that I have upset with my comments about counterfeits clones and other fakes. I am perhaps then the only member who knows for sure he has been duped by a squier precision bass expertly converted to a U.S.A. made bass, that had even fooled one of our local fender dealers, with cloth vintage wire and many other tells that meant comparison with even a known vintage model of impeccable providence proved difficult. Only after the previous owner was found by trading standards to have sold many fender USA basses in towns and cities across the midlands, saying he had waited years to get the guitar of his dreams, but then he lost his job and his wife fell pregnant and then his car failed the M.O.T. so he’d be willing to let it go cheap for cash, did he give up a mail order music shop running from an industrial trading estate. As a Fender main dealer they had been buying squiers by the dozen and converting them to be almost indistinguishable from the real thing, forged decals, case candy, slightly worn left casually in the case pockets for realism, they even had documents for the squiers to people pulled randomly off the internet in case their sales were ever checked, paid V.A.T. and tax, LTD company the whole shooting match, trading standards said it could have been going on for years, they had asked me to attend court as one of the victims but I wasn’t needed and got my money back in time to move to my wife’s new job in the south of England and never really heard anymore. But they must be out there somewhere just think £650 for a Argos £195 squier and some paint and wire. It makes you think when I hear people say they had a certain bass but it wasn’t as good as other ones they’d tried so they sold it on. I have seen site on ebay selling Gibson trade marked volume pot’s so even that’s not a reliable safeguard. I just don’t know how any of us can be sure of what we are buying. Still as someone said [i]“[/i][i]So you concluded the forum was against clones from the glowing review posted here, and the multiple threads regarding them and how good they are?” [/i] That’s alright then just as long as they are good it doesn’t matter if we’ve been ripped off.

[Mr. Foxen]

If the name on the headstock was the only difference, then the thing you are paying too much for is the name on the headstock, doesn't mater who put it there. Buy a bass to play it, pay for its own qualities, rather than association.

[chrismuzz]

[quote name='mickthebass' timestamp='1352337092' post='1862004']
I really must......
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Hey man, that sucks that you got ripped off nobody deserves that! Having, owning, buying, or playing a faker is fine in my book as long as you know what you are buying beforehand and the price is reasonable. If not, it doesnt matter how good the copy is, it's still a scam!

[Nibody]

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1352343567' post='1862018']
If the name on the headstock was the only difference, then the thing you are paying too much for is the name on the headstock, doesn't mater who put it there. Buy a bass to play it, pay for its own qualities, rather than association.
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THIS

Also Fender USA basses have a different Truss Rod adjustment to Squier, which would make it glaringly obvious that it was a Squier not a Fender. So you are saying he removed the Fingerboard, bought in bulk US truss-rods of the correct type (including re-routing the neck to accomodate the Heel-end truss rod adjustment, whilst expertly inserting a plug of the correct wood, shaped to fit the headstock at the nut-end )? To the degree it fooled a fender dealer?

Sorry not buying it.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Nibody

[stu_g]

plus the fender machineheads neckplate and through body stringing and different bridge

[Mr. Foxen]

Those updates might be a bit more recent mind. Although the Squiers about the time they might look about the same would be Japanese and thus superior in build to the US ones. Also, just because someone is a Fender dealer, doesn't mean they know anything about Fenders outside of the latest catalogue.

[charic]

Firstly, Welcome to Basschat

I think it's safe to say that the forum is doing all that needs to be done in the way of discouraging sales of rickenfakers on the site.

However, it is one of the many uses of the site that we have reviews such as these to tell us whether a bass is good or not. Irrespective of brand this is something that we all want to know. By reviewing this bass all he the user has done is tell us what he thought of it, he's not trying to sell it so no harm done

The fact that an Ebay user has decided to use a review from this site is entirely up to him, he's not trying to pass it off as a real Rickenbacker (it clearly says in the title that it isn't), it merely states that it is a good bass (as is there perogative). If they WERE trying to sell it as a real Rickenbacker then yes, I could see a real problem with the ad, however it's on Ebay not Basschat and so we have no power at all.

I'm sure Mr. Hall or someone affiliated with him will pick up on the ad soon enough, infact feel free to drop him a line about it yourself but we don't have anywhere near the resources (or the responsibility) to police every sale on every site. As such we must contain ourselves to policing our own forum.


Sorry to hear you previously got ripped off with a sale, I trust it didn't happen on here? If you're ever in doubt about a purchase again a thread on here can turn up wonders if you have access to some decent photos of the item you're thinking of buying.

[mickthebass]

[quote name='Nibody' timestamp='1352356712' post='1862037'] THIS Also Fender USA basses have a different Truss Rod adjustment to Squier, which would make it glaringly obvious that it was a Squier not a Fender. So you are saying he removed the Fingerboard, bought in bulk US truss-rods of the correct type (including re-routing the neck to accomodate the Heel-end truss rod adjustment, whilst expertly inserting a plug of the correct wood, shaped to fit the headstock at the nut-end )? To the degree it fooled a fender dealer? Sorry not buying it. [/quote] [quote name='stu_g' timestamp='1352357776' post='1862040'] plus the fender machineheads neckplate and through body stringing and different bridge [/quote]
Sorry, I was away playing at a shads revival in Scarbourgh and thought my bass neck was bowing a bit, I had had the bass a year then, so I took it to a dealer in the town he said he would have a look while I went back to watch the other tribute bands when I got back he said that the truss nut was just a bit of threaded bar slotted and glued into a drilling in the body end of the neck, the real truss adjustment was at the nut end filled with plastic wood, it did have a string though body and the winders looked just like the modern fender/shallers on my current usa standard precision bass so did the bridge. I cannot claim to have seen every model of squier bass but I know there are a lot of different variations out there some more like a true USA fender and some not, I am not looking for an argument. I am just saying be careful as I found to my distress you never know what you are getting.

[Mr. Foxen]

Body end truss adjustment is a cross screw head type thing, not a nut (well, it is a nut inside, but there would be no point in putting a bit of threaded bar in, because it can't be seen). Never take stuff to dealers for adjustment, they aren't techs. Sounds a lot like you just had a Fender, and a dealer who didn't know what they were up to and broke the end off your truss rod.

[throwoff]

Yep sounds about right.

I have never heard of a dealer selling fakers.

When was this? Name names?!

[noelk27]

[quote name='mickthebass' timestamp='1352310837' post='1861483'][color=#000000]Talk about fake rickies[/color][/quote]
Fake? There's a massive difference between Shine building a bass influenced by/borrowing from the styling of Rickenbacker and an individual pass off instrument "A" as instrument "B". In the first instance it is for Rickenbacker to demonstrate to the satisfaction of the relevant courts that it holds appropriate design protections in its designs in its own, and worldwide territories; and, the second, a matter for the criminal investigatory authorities, as passing off is a crime.


It would also be wise of you to familiarise yourself with the laws of verbal injury/libel, as your comments could be regarded as defamatory of Shine.

[mickthebass]

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1352382754' post='1862378']
Body end truss adjustment is a cross screw head type thing, not a nut (well, it is a nut inside, but there would be no point in putting a bit of threaded bar in, because it can't be seen). Never take stuff to dealers for adjustment, they aren't techs. Sounds a lot like you just had a Fender, and a dealer who didn't know what they were up to and broke the end off your truss rod.
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Sorry but when I said a threaded rod I was trying to describe exactly what the standard U.S.A. truss rod adjustment looks like the truss rod is a thin steel rod that is threaded at either the nut or body end and fixed at the other depending on which construction has been used it is fitted into a routed slot in the neck that is covered either in a maple fingerboard by the so called skunk stripe on the back or a rosewood finger board as an alternate, at the nut end adjustment is made by an Allan key compatible short bar about an inch long which is drilled and threaded on the inside and screwed onto the threaded end of the truss rod and is tensioned against a reinforced shoulder in the neck just under the first fret adjustment if ever necessary is made through a small hole by the nut using the supplied Allan key some CBS necks had a bullet shaped chrome plated slotted bar/nut which protruded on the head just above the nut. Body adjustable trusses have a similar inch long bar drilled and cross slotted screwed to the body end of the truss rod and tensioned against a shoulder just under the top final fret this can be seen if the pick guard has a semicircular cut-out in line with the end of the neck, on the modified neck there was room because the truss rod in the nut adjustment neck finishes about an inch and a half or so back leaving room to fit this fake but convincing adjustment, add some two pack wood filler to the Allen screw hole at the nut and you have a convincing U.S.A. neck.  After being shafted I made a point studying everything I could about Fenders and Squiers.  
One supplementary question if Rickenbacker basses are so hard to get hold of how come there are 20 on Ebay at the moment? One shop even has two for sale?
And Finally:-
As an engineer once said to me, about a bass line I’d just stressed over “That sounded great did you play it with a pick? Or a shovel?"

[Mr. Foxen]

Replacing all of the stuff on a Squier with US stuff and all the other work and time would make it cost more than buying a Fender for a dealer. And probably make an as good or better instrument.

As for the Ricks on ebay, depends if you think over a grand is easy to come by.

[Wooks79]

[quote name='throwoff' timestamp='1352386738' post='1862443']
Yep sounds about right.

I have never heard of a dealer selling fakers.

When was this? Name names?!
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Wasn't Music Ground a massive one?

[Mr. Foxen]

They were an instrument dealer, not sure they were a current Fender dealer, as in contracted to Fender currently. They sold fake Hiwatts whilst owning the Hiwatt brand though.