wateroftyne Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Do I like Funk? No. That doesn't mean I don't understand and value a good groove, though. Far from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bremen Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='jakesbass' post='196725' date='May 11 2008, 09:41 PM']Funk... was originally used to describe something that had a certain indescribable feeling, the word is in fact a description of dirty and smelly. Many types of music can be funky.[/quote] Say yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chardbass Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='benwhiteuk' post='196913' date='May 12 2008, 09:04 AM']nothing better than a laid back funky porn groove :brow:[/quote] ..under a sleazy wah-wah guitar track. Apparently :blush: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithless Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='bremen' post='196955' date='May 12 2008, 12:21 PM']Say yeah![/quote] What the f*ck did he say?... I love Mr. Murphy What about funk - I like it, but, though, I'm learning slap at the mo, I can't say it's easy for me to 'get on' with it[funk]. Probably cuz I dunno a lot bassists, that suit my 'funk' taste, and the other thing, I dunno a lotta good simple slappy songs for the beginning. For sure, I've checked thread about that, but, most of offered songs don't simply 'do the trick' (few chaps even managed to offer songs, where's no goddamn slap nor any possibility making it )... Oh, I've went fo flimfams.. Though, before long I'll make a thread about 'getting on' on some style. Funk is the problem for me for now. Considering, I think you should know/play/eat your instrument in and out [techniques included], so funk is Biiiig part of it. That's my foolish personal opinion, by the way. And, prog-rock/metal is my favourite thing in heavy music, too. We could share about that a bit, couldn't we?... That's mine flimfams about it: [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=15822&hl=where+the+hell"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=...=where+the+hell[/url] Cheers, mate Faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Personally I am sick of all these I hate..., I dont like... threads that keep coming up. Its not a mature thing to post and hopefully they will grow out of it. If you must promote discussion - say what you like/love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacedabass Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 hay i am just listening to the superbad soundtrack, amazing bootsy funk 'baby'!classic times, i loves the funk!! i also loves the metal aswell!! woo i am in such a funky mood right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar South Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 Personally as far as funk playing goes, I found 'the funk' when I gave up all the 'funk gimmicks' (slapping, auto wah etc.) and just started to groove with my fingers and let the music breathe. A noise gate can work well in funk I found for the quick cutoff, one of the paradigms in most young bass players learning is realising that the note cutoff i pretty much as important for the groove as the attack. I spent the first five years or so of playing practicing and messing around with slapping/tapping/effects etc, now I actually do music seriously I've got rid of the crutches and 99% of the times its just fingers and EQ, all you need. [quote name='bass_ferret' post='197086' date='May 12 2008, 12:45 PM']Personally I am sick of all these I hate..., I dont like... threads that keep coming up. Its not a mature thing to post and hopefully they will grow out of it. If you must promote discussion - say what you like/love.[/quote] Doesn't grab peoples attention and incite discussion in the same way, nothing immature about expressing reasonable opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='Oscar South' post='196773' date='May 11 2008, 10:41 PM']Actually, I used to live on funk from Parliament to C2B3 to Chili Peppers to Mr. Bungle and whatever else, pretty much the full spectrum.[/quote] There's your problem-C2B3,Chili's and Mr. Bungle aren't really funk.I'd class these bands as being rock. Check out some Sly Stone or Tower of Power for some real 'old school' funk.Or,for something more modern,listen to Galactic.They groove like there's no tomorrow. In regard to the 'funk gimmicks'-you should be able to groove and let the music 'breath' when slapping.You don't have to just play typical octave/minor 7th licks.It's a technique to produce a different sound,and it shouldn't affect your choice of notes or your groove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar South Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 (edited) I knew I'd get picked up on that, I just rattled off a bunch of random names really, I guess I did go for the more funk influenced rock ones. I've got 3 or 4 ToP albums and used to love em, was into electric pianos/organs and vintage synthesizers in a big way a few years ago so I got into a lot of funk bands through that. Edited May 12, 2008 by Oscar South Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I like the groove of funk and can turn my hand to it as a playing style, but I do find a lot of the so-called funk classics difficult to listen to (eg, old Stevie, Parliament/Funkadelic, Brothers Johnson, etc) - the production is very, very dated and sounds quite cheesy nowadays. It does sound either like bad porn music or the soundtrack to a blaxploitation film. It just hasn't aged well. Can't fault the playing or musicianship though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='Russ' post='197205' date='May 12 2008, 03:10 PM']It does sound either like bad porn music or the soundtrack to a blaxploitation film.[/quote] Finding it hard to see the problem there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bremen Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Doddy' post='197188' date='May 12 2008, 02:51 PM']There's your problem-C2B3,Chili's and Mr. Bungle aren't really funk.I'd class these bands as being rock.[/quote] Jakesbass: [quote]Funk is actually an adjective and not strictly accurate as a 'music' although it has come to be accepted as such. It was originally used to describe something that had a certain indescribable feeling, the word is in fact a description of dirty and smelly. Many types of music can be funky.[/quote] Blood Sugar Sex Magic is funky as a m*****f***er, whether you choose to call it funk, rock or any other label. edit: I knew it wouldn't let me say 'f***er' but I never knew m***** was a Bad Word! Edited May 12, 2008 by bremen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fudge Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I really got into Level 42 in the early 80's. At the time I was also into prog and rock. 20 something years later i still love it all. The same thing could be said for country music. There is some beautiful country music about and there is also some really awful stuff. Did anybody ever get into the Lyle Lovett country/ jazz/ blues stuff in the 90's. Oh happy car crash.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Jones Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='Oscar South' post='197161' date='May 12 2008, 01:59 PM']Personally as far as funk playing goes, I found 'the funk' when I gave up all the 'funk gimmicks' (slapping, auto wah etc.) and just started to groove with my fingers and let the music breathe. A noise gate can work well in funk I found for the quick cutoff, one of the paradigms in most young bass players learning is realising that the note cutoff i pretty much as important for the groove as the attack. I spent the first five years or so of playing practicing and messing around with slapping/tapping/effects etc, now I actually do music seriously I've got rid of the crutches and 99% of the times its just fingers and EQ, all you need.[/quote] Very true. 'Technique' just overwhelms people at a certain stage and think that genre X has to be played in Y way. Some ofthe greatest funk lines are plain solid fingerstyle with outstanding timing. What Mark King was doing in the 80s is a bit like double thumbing now. If you can't do it, people tend to think you're an inferior musician. (And no, I can't do it. But I'm happy... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Sorry, but Mark King isn't funk. And funk isn't about technique; it's about the feel and the groove. Listen to George Porter Jnr, Galactic and Charles Wright. Not a single slap or pop anywhere. Anyone can play the notes Boots Collins played with James Brown, but they can't play them the way Bootsy did. That's funk!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hit&Run Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='Mr Fudge' post='197233' date='May 12 2008, 03:44 PM']Did anybody ever get into the Lyle Lovett country/ jazz/ blues stuff in the 90's. Oh happy car crash....[/quote] Happy Car Crash? Is that a reference to Lyle's distinctive appearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubs Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='chris_b' post='197450' date='May 12 2008, 08:06 PM']...And funk isn't about technique; it's about the feel and the groove... Anyone can play the notes Boots Collins played with James Brown, but they can't play them the way Bootsy did. That's funk!![/quote] +1 well said and i think that totally sums it up. Funk is a feeling and about locking into the groove and it should sound effortless and natural Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul, the Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [url="http://youtube.com/watch?v=fDWGC8P9Kro"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fDWGC8P9Kro[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar South Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='chris_b' post='197450' date='May 12 2008, 08:06 PM']Sorry, but Mark King isn't funk. And funk isn't about technique; it's about the feel and the groove. Listen to George Porter Jnr, Galactic and Charles Wright. Not a single slap or pop anywhere. Anyone can play the notes Boots Collins played with James Brown, but they can't play them the way Bootsy did. That's funk!![/quote] No actually thats an envelope filter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Oscar South' post='197465' date='May 12 2008, 08:19 PM']No actually thats an envelope filter [/quote] Don't be an idiot on purpose. Bootsy never used any effects with James Brown. That was only later with the P-Funk. EDIT: I actually agreed with you at the beginning. I don't think bassists need to listen to funk to understand all about groove, locking in, sitting in the pocket and all the other terms we use to describe feel and time. Some of the tightest bass players come from metal and jazz. I also agree that songwriting in funk music was never as varied as in rock music or as sophisticated as in swing - although that's not a fault of the genre itself. I still think that but now I think you're just trying to go out of your way to irritate people. And from some of your comments it sounds like you're an ignorant kid who's never listened to any real funk in his life. Edited May 12, 2008 by The Funk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar South Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='The Funk' post='197470' date='May 12 2008, 08:21 PM']Don't be an idiot on purpose. Bootsy never used any effects with James Brown. That was only later with the P-Funk.[/quote] Simmer down, it was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Yeah, sorry. I still think you had two valid points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 [quote name='Oscar South' post='196705' date='May 11 2008, 09:08 PM']Hate how every bassist is expected to love and embrace funk[/quote] That statement's a reflection of who you've been talking to or what you've been reading and not of any reality. What exactly is funk? Expected by who? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar South Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 (edited) Just trying to start some interesting discussion but it seems that disagreeing with some peoples opinion is equal to insulting their mother. And for the Nth time in this thread now, I was into playing and listening to funk for 3-4 years, started on funk-rock type stuff when I was younger and went all the way back to the roots as I researched it more, I'm not uninformed. Read into my posts however you like, thats the truth. Edited May 12, 2008 by Oscar South Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Funk Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 (edited) It's alright, you don't have to explain yourself. I'm one of the few guys here who isn't trying to tell you you're wrong for not being into funk. Sorry for my reaction. It was just that one comment that wound me up big time. To even joke that Bootsy Collins only sounded funky because of an envelope filter is stupid. Edited May 12, 2008 by The Funk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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