steve-bbb Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) dont tell me its not a proper word, an american friend told me it is anyways WTFF is [b]cinematic metal[/b] when it's at home ?? anybody?? am i turning into the rick wakeman grumpy old man or is it just an age thing but is this whole genre categorisation thing getting (already [color=#800080][b]gotten[/b][/color] if you ask me) a tad far fetched?? or do i need to fess up to being totally uncool and out of touch with all things hip and trendy usual usual ... answers on a postage stamp please edited for sausage fingers Edited November 28, 2012 by steve-bbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) I understand that proggy stuff is now called math rock or technical metal. I'd like to create a sort of technical prog early rock n roll with complex time signatures. The genre could be called Algorithm and Blues. Edited November 27, 2012 by Roland Rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1354005411' post='1880597']WTFF is [b]cinematic metal[/b] when it's at home ?? [/quote] I thought it was when you're watching [i]film[/i] of heavy metal bands.................. don't go bursting my bubble now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I reckon musical genres are like social classes - something for other people to define and pontificate about - and about as useful. Unfortunately, such things exacerbate conflict because people end up supporting bands simply because they play a particular 'genre' as defined by some aspiring music journo. Fortunately, most people grow out of such things and eventually learn to decide for themselves what music they like and dislike without needing to know the genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) You should check this out: [url="http://mapofmetal.com"]http://mapofmetal.com[/url] For this month's composition challenge I decide to label my track as 'Sadcore' - thinking that would be sorta funny - and it turns out there is already a genre with that name When I worked a music journo years ago I invented the genre 'folkstep' as joke in one article. That's now a genre too! I guess people are just suckers for labeling things - gives them a sense of identity, etc. Although some of the names do make me laugh. [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1354010694' post='1880661']Unfortunately, such things exacerbate conflict because people end up supporting bands simply because they play a particular 'genre' as defined by some aspiring music journo.[/quote] ^ Ha ha! Yup, that was me at one time. Only my aspirations never quite transpired... Edited November 27, 2012 by Skol303 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low End Bee Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Stop. You'll get me started on 'indie' being a genre...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 The truth is that people want to make out that they are the first people to do something, it's easier to come up with a new genre name than to actually create a new genre, nothing has been new since about 1983! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashell Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Oh god yes, all these sub genres do my head in. Especially all the different types of metal. I have no idea what most of them are. If it sounds heavy, it's just Metal AFAIC. But yes, it is probably an age thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1354010037' post='1880648'] I understand that proggy stuff is now called math rock or technical metal. [/quote] Not right. "Math Rock" & "Technical Metal" are just another two sub genres - they do not encapsulate the entire "Prog" genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Rock Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Not being funny, but if I was deciding between two CDs/Downloads and the descriptions were literally just 'Djent' or 'Thrash', then that helps me decide which one I'd like more. Because modern metal is so faddish, you get a real ureters ding of what a bands going to sound like by the way they catagorise themselves. I remember that deathcore spawned doomcore, sludgecore and thrashcore; all sounding very different. Metal's a funny thing because all it takes to change the category is the vocal style or the guitar tone. Imagine early Korn with death vocals. Itd be doom wouldn't it? Truckstop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1354010694' post='1880661']Unfortunately, such things exacerbate conflict because people end up supporting bands simply because they play a particular 'genre' as defined by some aspiring music journo.[/quote] Useful for ego-centric Gumtree adverts though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1354010741' post='1880663'] You should check this out: [url="http://mapofmetal.com"]http://mapofmetal.com[/url] [b]For this month's composition challenge I decide to label my track as 'Sadcore' - thinking that would be sorta funny - and it turns out there is already a genre with that name [/b] When I worked a music journo years ago I invented the genre 'folkstep' as joke in one article. That's now a genre too! I guess people are just suckers for labeling things - gives them a sense of identity, etc. Although some of the names do make me laugh. ^ Ha ha! Yup, that was me at one time. Only my aspirations never quite transpired... [/quote] I wanted to call mine Savilecore, to find that already existed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve G Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 tbh I don't know what most of that means. It won't cover all the niches mentioned above but the 'Metal Evolution' series tracks ...well, the evolution of metal music from the roots to fairly recently. Usually on Sky Arts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero9 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I like to keep things simple, thus I categorise stuff as 'good' and 'crap'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1354018726' post='1880812']I wanted to call mine Savilecore, to find that already existed [/quote] ^ Read that and thought to myself "eh??"... typed it into Google, which came up with 'Explore savilecore on SoundCloud'...now I'm thinking "WTF!?"... clicked the link and it took me to your track! If that takes off as a genre title, then I'll know who to point the finger at mate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1354017699' post='1880790'] . Metal's a funny thing because all it takes to change the category is the vocal style or the guitar tone. Imagine early Korn with death vocals. Itd be doom wouldn't it? [/quote] No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1354018726' post='1880812'] I wanted to call mine Savilecore, to find that already existed [/quote] What is Savillecore exactly, music that doesn't get discovered until thirty years after it actually happened? Years ago on the Gretsch Discussion Pages forum myself & a guy called Truxton Meadows (superb name!) invented "Progabilly" I haven't checked but that's probably a "proper" genre now too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1354023269' post='1880926'] ^ Read that and thought to myself "eh??"... typed it into Google, which came up with 'Explore savilecore on SoundCloud'...now I'm thinking "WTF!?"... clicked the link and it took me to your track! If that takes off as a genre title, then I'll know who to point the finger at mate! [/quote] I'd typed Savil into the genre box and it gave me a list including Savilecore so that was that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinynorman Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 I suffered this when the kids were teenagers. I concluded it was tribal rather than musical, a way of separating out a bunch of bands which it was ok to like in a particular group of their friends. Emo seemed to be the bin for everything no one liked - and I understood the description, but whenever I said "So, is this Emo?", it never was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musophilr Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Anyone want to start a Scrap Metal band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Too late: http://www.officialscrapmetal.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owencf Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='zero9' timestamp='1354021011' post='1880857'] I like to keep things simple, thus I categorise stuff as 'good' and 'crap'. [/quote] I agree with this categorisation technique. Also works for Marriage " whats mine is yours, whats yours is yours" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chest Rockwell Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1354023351' post='1880928'] No. [/quote] yup, Korn with Death vocals would be Nu-Death Core Metal. you're on pretty safe ground if you consider that anything with 'core' in it is probably sh*te. sh*te-Metal, if you will. all I know is that my band plays 'Instrumental Stoner Groove Doom' (no seriously, we have stickers that say that ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kongo Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) ...I'm should stay out of this one. Sub-genres can be a right headache, but they allow for easier categorisation. For DJing it helps to know...The whole "Core" thing has taken it too far though...everything has "core" on the end. Play me a track and I can fit it into a category somewhere. They all have little staples and isms. "Core", coming from Hardcore (Black Flag, as an example) focuses on more basic playing and lots of breakdowns. Whereas Death metal will use things such as blast beats, tremolo picking, fast tempo's etc Deathcore instead chugs on the lowest notes, often a diminished triad, has medium to slow tempo and lots of breakdowns...Not really a fan of Deathcore but some of it's OK. As for what I read before though, progressive, math and technical, 3 different things. 3 typical examples; Dream Theater - Progressive SikTh / Dillinger Escape Plan - Math Necrophagist - Technical Death metal Yes...I need to leave this thread! Edited November 29, 2012 by Kongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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