Japhet Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Threads like this always make me think of the TV advert where one little girl asks her sister "What do you love more, Daddy or chips?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderider Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Japhet' timestamp='1357126577' post='1917696'] Threads like this always make me think of the TV advert where one little girl asks her sister "What do you love more, Daddy or chips?" [/quote]chips...always... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='mbellishment' timestamp='1357075844' post='1917294'] Can't believe yous got my first thread on BC locked up like lads! Was quite proud of that thread [/quote] Sorry about that but that guy was off his head on something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1357124197' post='1917651'] Its all a bit pointless, anyway. Music isn't a competition, its an enjoyable experience. [/quote] Sorry no, that's entertainment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiloco Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Offended clowns: Feel free to start your own thread about how fun it is to be mediocre. Please feel welcome if your intention is to discuss the topic. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 TIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 To argue if it is possible to be better or worse at art means that someone must set out agreed standards of what is good and what is bad. It's a bit like trying to compare Rothko to Constable, it can't be done, or if it is, it is meaningless. Whether you like it or not, popular music is art - just like I don't like John Constable but I couldn't argue that his populist style is not art. Part of the art of popular music is the image - from band logos to record sleeves to what the bands wear and play on stage. So cut out this absolute nonsense of the mediocre, stop belittling some great forum members who work very succesfully in this artform of which you obviously do not approve and then perhaps we'll join in your threads in a more constructive manner. A clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Protium Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Inti' timestamp='1357154178' post='1918335'] Offended clowns: Feel free to start your own thread about how fun it is to be mediocre. Please feel welcome if your intention is to discuss the topic. Thanks. [/quote] What are your thoughts on metronomes? Do you own a pair of Hi Tec trainers? Edited January 2, 2013 by Protium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Johngh' timestamp='1357155312' post='1918360'] [/quote] Bit harsh - he doesn't really deserve that (yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jude_b Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I will forever be indebted to this thread for introducing me to Jeff Berlin's cover of Imagine. Wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbellishment Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='jude_b' timestamp='1357155924' post='1918375'] I will forever be indebted to this thread for introducing me to Jeff Berlin's cover of Imagine. Wonderful. [/quote] Can you link me up please? Did a google and youtube search but to no avail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jude_b Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='mbellishment' timestamp='1357156357' post='1918389'] Can you link me up please? Did a google and youtube search but to no avail [/quote] I found it via a YouTube clip on Google. Sorry I haven't uploaded it - I don't want to be held responsible for any side effects you might experience. (I'm also a technical incompetent at adding links.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='jude_b' timestamp='1357156745' post='1918400'] I found it via a YouTube clip on Google. Sorry I haven't uploaded it - I don't want to be held responsible for any side effects you might experience. [/quote] He's right, you know - it nearly made me vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbellishment Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='jude_b' timestamp='1357156745' post='1918400'] I don't want to be held responsible for any side effects you might experience. [/quote] Found it cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbellishment Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'd never heard of the guy until today. Is he famous for making the worlds best elevator music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='mbellishment' timestamp='1357158100' post='1918439'] I'd never heard of the guy until today. Is he famous for making the worlds best elevator music? [/quote] Define 'best'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbellishment Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1357158366' post='1918447'] Define 'best'.... [/quote] Most elevator-like elevator music... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I like Jeff Berlin. Much more so as a teacher though, the majority of his music doesn't interest me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1357155219' post='1918358'] To argue if it is possible to be better or worse at art means that someone must set out agreed standards of what is good and what is bad. It's a bit like trying to compare Rothko to Constable, it can't be done, or if it is, it is meaningless. Whether you like it or not, popular music is art - just like I don't like John Constable but I couldn't argue that his populist style is not art. Part of the art of popular music is the image - from band logos to record sleeves to what the bands wear and play on stage. So cut out this absolute nonsense of the mediocre, stop belittling some great forum members who work very succesfully in this artform of which you obviously do not approve and then perhaps we'll join in your threads in a more constructive manner. A clown [/quote] Normally I eschew quoting entire posts, but that one was so good that it would have been unfair to snip it at all! I wish i could have put my (similar) thoughts into such succinct words! Masterpiece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Inti' timestamp='1357154178' post='1918335'] Offended clowns: Feel free to start your own thread about how fun it is to be mediocre. Please feel welcome if your intention is to discuss the topic. Thanks. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bassman7755 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='Inti' timestamp='1357036661' post='1916495'] I've been into several forums now where there seems to be a tabu around talking about someone being better or worse in musical situations. I wonder what the debate climate looks like here in bass chat so I put the discussion on the table: Is it possible to be better or worse than anyone in art? Are we all the same? Is this too subjective to measure? Isn't this thinking curling the way for laziness to take advantage of people with the will to grow? Etc, etc... [/quote] The basschat rules are very simple - you can say anything you like about anyone, however any criticism of any of the following (in no particular order): Mark King Jaco Pastorius Pino Palladino Geddy Lee will result in a lifetime of scorn and derision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRBboy Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1357124197' post='1917651'] Its all a bit pointless, anyway. Music isn't a competition, its an enjoyable experience. There are only two types of music, music you like and music you don't. Worrying about who is best at it seems to miss the point somewhat. [/quote] BIG +1! The only way you could conclude that one bass player is "better" than another is when talking about a specific song: if you asked two players to play a song as per the record, and one could play it note for note and the other couldn't, you could conclude that one was better than the other in THAT scenario. However, the guy that couldn't play it might be an accomplished jazz player who had never played the song in question before, whilst the other may have been learning the song for months but couldn't play anything else! So its all BS anyway! AAAARRRGGGGHH! I'm arguing with myself, I think!? Anyway, all I know is I've heard some great music made by musicians with seemingly poor technique and battered gear, and I've heard music made by so-called virtuosos that's left me cold. Technique and theoretic knowledge is obviously desirable to help you realise your full potential as a musician, but its only one factor to be considered. This equation sums the discussion up; A-B7(%13)+462-DX9/X12*DD¿ coconut$. Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Inti' timestamp='1357036661' post='1916495'] Is it possible to be better or worse than anyone in art? [/quote] There are certainly measurable parameters by which we can compare individual players. Whether it be the number of notes per second, the distance of hand span, the accuracy of playing a specific piece of written music or a number of similar (meaningless IMO) variables. The more important question is "why would we wish to do so?". Music (like art) [i]can[/i] be all things to all people. OK, it will never be the [i]same[/i] thing to all people, but that is part of the joy of it. To attempt to measure the unmeasurable is futile. But having said that, we all (as individuals) probably have our own ideas about who [i]we[/i] think is better than whomsoever else... but that doesn't make us correct, of course. But I think you know that. Edited January 2, 2013 by Conan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 [quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1357163703' post='1918597'] ...any criticism of any of the following (in no particular order): Mark King Jaco Pastorius Pino Palladino Geddy Lee ...will result in a lifetime of scorn and derision [/quote] Really? Oh dear. Three on that list really get on my tits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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