51m0n Posted January 31, 2013 Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) Right, here we go, February's competition will be mixing Butlerk02's band's rather excellent track Mission Ray. I expect we will have a whole different set of issues with this one, but the approach and ground rules are the same, mix it to sound the best you can make it sound as a production, enjoy every minute of it and expect to disclose exactly how you made it work at the end of the month after the poll is done. Butlerk02 will stick the link to the stems in here as soon as he's sorted it out. Good luck to everyone! Here are the links to the final mixes for easy access:- 51m0n: [url="https://soundcloud.com/51m0n-1/mission-ray/s-xnnqG"]https://soundcloud.c...ion-ray/s-xnnqG[/url] Chrismanbass: [url="https://soundcloud.com/chris-hallam-1/mission-ray-final"]https://soundcloud.c...ssion-ray-final[/url] lurksalot: [url="https://soundcloud.com/lurksalot/mission-ray-v2"]https://soundcloud.c.../mission-ray-v2[/url] butlerk02: [url="https://soundcloud.com/butlerk02/mr-basschat"]https://soundcloud.c...k02/mr-basschat[/url] moonbass: [url="https://soundcloud.com/makossaband/mission-ray-4"]https://soundcloud.c...d/mission-ray-4[/url] OldG: [url="http://soundcloud.com/mickhastings/mission-ray-final"]http://soundcloud.co...ssion-ray-final[/url] VasDim: [media]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70048273/Basschat.co.uk/Mission%20Ray%20-%20VasDim%60s%20Mix.mp3[/media] skol303: [url="https://soundcloud.com/skol-mixes/mission-ray-by-dientes"]https://soundcloud.c...-ray-by-dientes[/url] Remember this is about the mix not anything to do with mastering, so final level isirrelevant, its all about the sound of the production. Edited February 25, 2013 by 51m0n Quote
butlerk02 Posted February 1, 2013 Posted February 1, 2013 (edited) Here is the link to download the Stems - [url="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21467016/Mission%20Ray%20Stems.zip"]https://dl.dropbox.c...Ray%20Stems.zip[/url] Any questions, feel free to ask away. Cheers Keith Edited February 1, 2013 by butlerk02 Quote
lurksalot Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Is this/are these mahoosive files ? my machine says it will take 15mins to download . I thought zips were really quick ? Quote
OldG Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 320 meg zipped, Lurks... 33 tracks in all. The drums are interesting - I've got gates all over them... Great song, BTW... Quote
lurksalot Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I fear this one may be a need a new computer , I don't think my laptop could handle that , still I will give it a try tommorrow. Quote
OldG Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 I'm just getting to work with the song, using aux sends and a fair amount of insert fx - my quad core is at 25 - 30% and taking around 500meg of RAM. I'm guessing that dual core or above should manage. Quote
Skol303 Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Cheers Keith. Wow... 33 stems... That's an altogether different kind of challenge. I only hope my 'puter is up to it! I'll have a crack at loading them up this weekend and testing the water, so to speak. [s]Any chance of a copy of the original track in the meantime? Be useful to hear as a reference.[/s] Just found it on SoundCloud! Here's the link for anyone else who wants a listen: https://soundcloud.com/dientesband/mission-ray Quote
butlerk02 Posted February 2, 2013 Posted February 2, 2013 Cheers lads. If your computer power is struggling, then I know that in logic you can freeze the track once you are done with it. It will then stop eating up your CPU. Not sure if this option is available in other DAWs though. Old G - the drums were recorded in a very large empty room, using not very good Mic technique. I'm happy for anyone to use samples if you want/need to. It also might not be a good idea to listen to the album version as it may sway your opinion of what it sounds like - but I'll leave that with you. Cheers Keith Quote
51m0n Posted February 2, 2013 Author Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) 33 stems is not that many chaps Get sections about right then render them and move on. Eventually all the groups are rendered and you can go back and tweak each group until it's right. Takes ages but it is possible... Edited February 2, 2013 by 51m0n Quote
lurksalot Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 My Little Lappy is coping OK so far , it should be up to the job , the question now is ......am I Quote
butlerk02 Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1359892633' post='1961581'] My Little Lappy is coping OK so far , it should be up to the job , the question now is ......am I [/quote] I have faith in you dude!! Quote
lomas92 Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Im getting pretty near to finishing my mix, only through headphones so it might sound a bit turd. Is anyone else getting a mate to master it or anything? mastering it themselves? dont worry keith I wont get greg to master it! Quote
butlerk02 Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Hi Dave. No mastering required, just mixing. Quote
lomas92 Posted February 3, 2013 Posted February 3, 2013 Awesome just starting automating today so not too far off! Quote
lurksalot Posted February 5, 2013 Posted February 5, 2013 OK then , I have had a go , I think I am at my limit , so I put up what I've done , I think it is an improvement on last months entry, and I have a few kind people to thank for pointing me in the right direction, whether I followed any of it however is for you to judge. I noticed the headphones comment earlier , headphones is all I have at the moment so that is my monitoring method, I guess that proper studio monitors are the way to go , but one step at a time [url="https://soundcloud.com/lurksalot/mission-ray"]Linky [/url] Quote
51m0n Posted February 6, 2013 Author Posted February 6, 2013 Havent even had a listen to the stems yet - been super busy Lurks, you can do a good mix on headphones, but there are a load of gotchas to watch out for, the low end and high end can be difficult, and reverb times and delay feedback can be really hard to get right. Panning is hard to judge on cans too (tendency is to spread everything too little). But for really homing in on mid range eq and transient detail (so for shaping stuff around the vocal, and getting compresison and gates set up right) headphones can be excellent, far better than cheap monitors in a pants room... Quote
butlerk02 Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1360103494' post='1965001'] OK then , I have had a go , I think I am at my limit , so I put up what I've done , I think it is an improvement on last months entry, and I have a few kind people to thank for pointing me in the right direction, whether I followed any of it however is for you to judge. I noticed the headphones comment earlier , headphones is all I have at the moment so that is my monitoring method, I guess that proper studio monitors are the way to go , but one step at a time [url="https://soundcloud.com/lurksalot/mission-ray"]Linky [/url] [/quote] Just had a listen to your mix Lurks. The separation of the instruments is definitely better than your previous mix and they have more space. The one thing you might have too much of in this track is reverb. By adding the amount of reverb you have you are pushing the instruments and vocal really far back in the mix. I too can only mix using headphones, but you can put your mix through any stereo and see if anything pops out as being problematic. Quote
lurksalot Posted February 6, 2013 Posted February 6, 2013 Thanks guys , If I can put a bit more time on it I will , I am still working my way around the software and there a few things that I have got to get my head around , but its all good fun . Quote
OldG Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1360178674' post='1966281'] I am still working my way around the software and there a few things that I have got to get my head around [/quote] Anything you want to get sorted - just shout,mate... If I can't help,then the other guys surely will. (and I might get to learn something!) Quote
moonbass Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Hi. Thought I'd give this a go and have really enjoyed it, so thanks to those organising it! Gave me chance to try some new ideas I'd heard about a try. Only listened to the original after finishing my mix though, and now feel slightly inadequate! Nevertheless, 'ere it is: https://soundcloud.com/makossaband/mission-ray-mix Andy Quote
lowdown Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 Interesting blog/read on sampling rates and conversions if you have a spare ten minutes. http://trustmeimascientist.com/2013/02/04/the-science-of-sample-rates-when-higher-is-better-and-when-it-isnt/ Garry Quote
Skol303 Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 [quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1360486092' post='1970970']Interesting blog/read on sampling rates and conversions if you have a spare ten minutes. http://trustmeimascientist.com/2013/02/04/the-science-of-sample-rates-when-higher-is-better-and-when-it-isnt/[/quote] Cheers Garry, an interesting read! Had made me re-think my obsession with high sampling rates ;-) Quote
lowdown Posted February 10, 2013 Posted February 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1360500799' post='1971239'] Cheers Garry, an interesting read! Had made me re-think my obsession with high sampling rates ;-) [/quote] Does give you something to think about, although i kinda just stayed with 44/24, Or for DVD work 48/24 [or48/16] so my puter didn't explode..... Good luck with this months mix up - lordy lordy, all those tracks.... Garry Edited February 10, 2013 by lowdown Quote
OldG Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) 44/24 here too.... though I'll go to 48/24 for smaller projects. Thought I'd share a great bass vst I came across while working on this project.... [url="http://www.theserinaexperiment.net/plugins/TSE_BOD_1.0.zip"]free download here[/url] . works better for me than all the free amp sims I've tried on it Edited February 11, 2013 by OldG Quote
OldG Posted February 11, 2013 Posted February 11, 2013 [quote name='moonbass' timestamp='1360257829' post='1967611'] Hi. Thought I'd give this a go and have really enjoyed it, so thanks to those organising it! Gave me chance to try some new ideas I'd heard about a try. Only listened to the original after finishing my mix though, and now feel slightly inadequate! Nevertheless, 'ere it is: [url="https://soundcloud.com/makossaband/mission-ray-mix"]https://soundcloud.c...mission-ray-mix[/url] Andy [/quote] Powerful sounding mix there.. Are you slamming it with a limiter,by any chance? Quote
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