Johngh Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 mcnach wins post of the year 2013 and were only in February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuzz Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='Evil Undead' timestamp='1360267679' post='1967880'] I like this, who are they? [/quote] Beyond Creation. I only heard them for the first time the other day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 That really was a good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='Johngh' timestamp='1360267789' post='1967881'] mcnach wins post of the year 2013 and were only in February. [/quote] Here, here... ..and from one who English isn't their first language.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1360267649' post='1967877'] That looked like a great post, but I maintain that MacNacho is not food but mere filler. Sorry for my arrogance - I know I'm not the best cook in the world. best, bert [/quote] That's it, tacos at dawn!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='Johngh' timestamp='1360267789' post='1967881'] mcnach wins post of the year 2013 and were only in February. [/quote] Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjones Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1360266949' post='1967865'] I nearly stopped reading this thread when I saw what it was becoming... but I'm glad I did not, because this that you wrote relates a bit to a conversation I was having with another BC member a couple of weeks ago when he visited my town and he came to a gig of mine. He is an engineer, and loves music and bass in particular. I started out towards engineering but I became a biologist, and I love music and bass in particular these days. The conversation we had was about how professional musicians must feel about us non-professionals discussing their field. I can only imagine it can get tricky. I am not sure how I would feel if I joined a conversation of "weekend-molecular-biologists". But I know how I feel when I read what some people who know a little (but not much) write about subjects I know a fair amount more than they do, and I can see their errors. It happened yesterday, for instance, when a colleague of mine received a chapter in a "book" that some guy wrote about human disease and cancer and diet in the western world... The guy clearly is no biologist, has no medical training or scientific training of any kind in fact... I was *annoyed* before I reached the second page. His lack of unerstanding was so vast that it would just not be reasonable for me to discuss it (I just don't have the time for it)... and had he been in front of me, I think he could have probably felt I was just an arrogant scientist belittling him because he does not measure to the standard I hold myself to. Hmmm. I can imagine a professional musician feeling similarly "unimpressed" by some of the ramblings of us, largely untrained non-professionals. Am I on the right track? I think this gets complicated because we are talking something we call "art". If we talk mathematics, physics, chemistry... we can be right or wrong and be certain about it to a reasonable extent. Biology is a bit "fuzzier", as we know a great deal, but there is a lot more that we don't know, and we work on the data we have, making assumtions and interpreting results... and next year's results can tell us that a certain "truth" we hold today, cannot be true for we found data that contradicts it. But we can discuss things using discrete hard data. But how do we discuss art? How do we discuss music? On the one hand, there are theoretical aspects or harmony etc that one can use. I know very little. My brother, however, trained for years and is a professional... Because I am interested in all things musical, I have been present when he and others were discussing the whys and hows about a certain composition my brother made... and it was quite amazing for me that there was a lot more behind the music than I had at first imagined, when I listened to the piece being played. For me, music is emotional, above anything else. That is enough for me (it just would not be practical for me to dedicate the time that would be required for me to learn so much that I should learn). But emotion is only one part of it. Other people can understand the music way beyond the level I can. And that's ok. I can accept that wholeheartedly. It does not feel good if someone puts me down, however, because I am stuck at that mostly emotional level. Why? It's a beautiful part of music. But, like I said above... I can see how someone who studies music a lot more deeply and makes it his profession (his life, in many ways), can feel exasperated sometimes with people who do not take the time and effort to study music and still carry themselves (or are seen as carrying themselves!) as "artists". It's a tough one, 'though, because art, music, generates passion. Something that connects with us so deeply at an emotional level, and makes us passionate about it... well, belittle someone about it and he is going to jump and bite your jugular. If I play a simple ska song, with no more than 4-5 chords and very simple bassline patterns... it makes me feel good. I enjoy it. Many others enjoy it. Then I hear the trumpets and saxophones doing their thing (a professional would have a better name for "doing their thing" and could appreciate some clever interplays better than my simple "makes me smile" emotion), and wait until the trombone comes in and sits between the trumpets and the bassline... When it works, it's beautiful, I enjoy it and people dance like mad to it. Great. I can imagine that from a purely musical point of view, that ska song can get boring before it's even started,, for some. I can understand and accept that, and I don't have any pretensions to create any great music... because I know my limitations very well. I enjoy music the way I can enjoy it, with the tools and knowledge I currently have. I admire those who go beyond that and can produce something more "elevated"... and just because I cannot understand the ins and outs it doesn't mean I cannot admire it and appreciate it to some degree. Obviously, my "review" about such a piece is not going to be of much use to that creator, as our levels are so mismatched... But I can still enjoy it, perhaps, in my own way. Is it necessary to call me ignorant (even if it's true I am not very knowledgeable, so I guess I am ignorant to some degree), a clown (because I enjoy the fact that others enjoy and are entertained by what I play), and a whore (because I take money for it)? You call that to one person... and they may respond or ignore it. You call that to a whole group of people... and you are going to get sparks flying. I have always tried to surround myself with people better than I am, in everything: when practicing judo, when playing guitar, when learning science... That's what pushes you it helps you improve. For that reason, I wish we could have a hundred people with your knowledge, ability and experience in this forum. I think that makes this place richer. I also want the "weekend warriors" who do not know what a chord is but have been playing bars for 20 or 30 years, for they have other things to contribute. And bedroom players of all skills and ambitions. And the gear geeks who know everything about the nuances between different envelope filter pedals... and those who are not very good players and don't know music, but are good at the electronics of things that can produce musical notes. I am sure we all know our place, something I think you criticised earlier. You do have a point, I concede, about people talking about things they do not understand as well as they think they do... but if it happens I am sure it's motivated by passion, a passion for music, that I hope you could relate to even if most don't pursue it as deeply as you have. And I wish you could accept that and not have to be condescending towards them (us)... I am not sure what you gain from contributing here, but you must obtain something or you would have left already, and I have been in the past annoyed at the way you say things (usually not so much the real content, but the form) but even with that I can see that you have something that could be of interest for me, even if I do not study music and lack the ability to comprehend music's finer details... I do listen a lot more than I talk, and read a lot more than I write. That's ok by me. My question to you: - in my ramblings above (sorry if it seems to jump a bit), have I touched a bit of why you say the things you say? - if the answer is yes, is it possible to say them without sounding so hostile? Obviously I do not want to and it would be too arrogant of me to try to change the way you are. But if it were possible to communicate your thoughts in a less confrontational manner, I know quite a few of us would rather enjoy having you around, for you clearly have a lot to offer... and I hope you find here something that's also of interest to you (most probably not from me, granted). Peace? [/quote] Very admirable but I fear you are talking with the voice of compromise and reconciliation I think your intended recipient does not speak the lingo. Let's wait and see........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike 110 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Mcnach gets my vote cos he's a judo man ! Me too - rei ... ! And soon it could well be - Hajime ! Edited February 7, 2013 by mike 110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1360268092' post='1967889'] Here, here... ..and from one who English isn't their first language.. [/quote] I feel humbled, thank you, I almost pressed delete rather than posting as I thought I had rambled too much for too long. I'm glad it's (so far) being taken well. Here's hoping. About languages... ha! I recently spoke on the phone for the first time with a BC member I had previously exchanged emails with. One of the first things he said was something like "wow! you have a strong Spanish accent, I thought you'd sound more Scottish!" It did make me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='gjones' timestamp='1360268694' post='1967900'] Very admirable but I fear you are talking with the voice of compromise and reconciliation I think your intended recipient does not speak the lingo. Let's wait and see........ [/quote] Yep, he's getting antagonistic elsewhere on the site - quite unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='mike 110' timestamp='1360268836' post='1967902'] Mcnach gets my vote cos he's a judo man ! Me too - rei ... ! And soon it could well be - Hajime ! [/quote] I haven't heard those words for a while! a couple of my bandmates are into wrestling and one does jiu jitsu... and I nearly convinced them to try judo, so that I'd have an excuse to go back to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike 110 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) [quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1360269189' post='1967911'] I haven't heard those words for a while! a couple of my bandmates are into wrestling and one does jiu jitsu... and I nearly convinced them to try judo, so that I'd have an excuse to go back to it. [/quote] It's a great sport , very addictive and my 1st love really , but after nearly 30 years (25 as a coach ) I gave it up last year . And if it it comes to handbags with you know who , I know where my money's going ! Superb post by the way . Edited February 7, 2013 by mike 110 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 good post Mcnach. this thread did make me miss the big beef chief just a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1360269892' post='1967927'] good post Mcnach. this thread did make me miss the big beef chief just a little. [/quote] The BBC versus Antiloco would sell a lot of tickets I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1360268999' post='1967906'] Yep, he's getting antagonistic elsewhere on the site - quite unbelievable. [/quote] Well he's getting about three profile views a minute at the moment so I'm obviously about to employ him as Kit's social media marketing director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1360270017' post='1967931'] The BBC versus Antiloco would sell a lot of tickets I think. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1360269892' post='1967927'] good post Mcnach. this thread did make me miss the big beef chief just a little. [/quote] BBC would probably have unmanned him swiftly and got banned again. BBC made a lot of sense most of the time, they are not alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) This especially for Inti [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bLKp2NFcLI[/media] Edited February 7, 2013 by xilddx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='mike 110' timestamp='1360269760' post='1967923'] It's a great sport , very addictive and my 1st love really , but after nearly 30 years (25 as a coach ) I gave it up last year . And if it it comes to handbags with you know who , I know where my money's going ! Superb post by the way . [/quote] handbags are only a last resort and it requires close contact, I think we're ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Where can i here this Antiloco's music? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1360273301' post='1968025'] Where can i here this Antiloco's music? [/quote] There's a Youtube link in his signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1360270100' post='1967936'] Well he's getting about three profile views a minute at the moment so I'm obviously about to employ him as Kit's social media marketing director. [/quote] Get him as the warm up act fo the launch - nice bit of entertaining the crowd before the gig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#000000]http://www.youtube.com/musselerran[/color][/font][/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin_lindsay Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Search using "Musselerran" in YouTube - oh, I've been beaten to the punch! Edited February 7, 2013 by kevin_lindsay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 [quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1360251532' post='1967415'] So does your mum! [/quote] Classic and genius! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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