Lowender Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360767963' post='1976147'] Neither one way or the other tbh; I just fancied ropping in a "Citizen Smith" quote. I hear a lot being said of Geddy Lee too on here, when I listen to him I don't hear anything remarkable, which probabaly entitles me to a place against the wall too, nor do I with Macca or many other bassists. But my guess would be that any one of them would be preferred to be seen as one element of the sum of the parts. [/quote] I hate to admit it but I agree on Geddy. He can play. He 's good, but nothing particularly original or amazing. In other words, nothing Entwistle and Squire and their imitators hadn't already done. As for Mac -- this is what you're missing. It isn't his technical skill. Anybody playing for 2 years can play pretty much any of his bass lines. It's the COMPOSITIONAL skill. His ideas, voiceleading, phrasing, harmonic sense are all brilliant. Now if you don't get it, you don't get it and it can't be explained so you do. It's a little like the intro to Beethoven's 5th . It's one of the most powerful musical statements the world has ever known. But somebody can say, "Eh, it's only 4 notes. I CAN DO THAT." Edited February 13, 2013 by Lowender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360769148' post='1976174']Now if you don't get it, you don't get it and it can't be explained so you do.[/quote] Based on almost all of your posts so far you don't mind too much if I just have you down as a kid troll out to stir it do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360769148' post='1976174'] I hate to admit it but I agree on Geddy. He can play. He 's good, but nothing particularly original or amazing. In other words, nothing Entwistle and Squire and their imitators hadn't already done. [b]As for Mac -- this is what you're missing. It isn't his technical skill. Anybody playing for 2 years can play pretty much any of his bass lines. It's the COMPOSITIONAL skill. His ideas, voiceleading, phrasing, harmonic sense are all brilliant. Now if you don't get it, you don't get it and it can't be explained so you do. It's a little like the intro to Beethoven's 5th . It's one of the most powerful musical statements the world has ever known. But somebody can say, "Eh, it's only 4 notes. I CAN DO THAT."[/b] [/quote] Not sure I like your school ma'am tone, but you are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360769148' post='1976174'] I hate to admit it but I agree on Geddy. He can play. He 's good, but nothing particularly original or amazing. In other words, nothing Entwistle and Squire and their imitators hadn't already done. As for Mac -- this is what you're missing. It isn't his technical skill. Anybody playing for 2 years can play pretty much any of his bass lines. It's the COMPOSITIONAL skill. His ideas, voiceleading, phrasing, harmonic sense are all brilliant. Now if you don't get it, you don't get it and it can't be explained so you do. It's a little like the intro to Beethoven's 5th . It's one of the most powerful musical statements the world has ever known. But somebody can say, "Eh, it's only 4 notes. I CAN DO THAT." [/quote] Geddy Lee is a brilliant bass guitarist . Yes , he drew on the influence of Entwisle and Squier , and not least of all Jack Bruce , but he developed his own unique style and approach to playing the bass . His agile , agressive and highly intellegent style has been inspirational to generations of bass players , and quite rightly so , just like Paul McCartney . They are both superb players , albeit in very different styles . I don't subscribe to the idea of Paul McCartney being a simplistic player either . If you listen to some of his work more closely he is capable of all kinds of clever twists and turns in his the choices he makes in those basslines . I agree with you wholheartedly though , that Maccas' genius lies in his compositional skills . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybassplayer Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Geddy Lee plays some very complicated bass lines, plays keyboard sounds with his feet, reverses the roles when needed and sings lead vocals in a fantasticslly successful three piece band that have sold millions of albums worldwide and are still packing out stadiums nearly forty years on !!! I'd say that qualifies himm as a somewhat successful basdist in my book. He also seems like a bloody nice guy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowender Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360770907' post='1976209'] Based on almost all of your posts so far you don't mind too much if I just have you down as a kid troll out to stir it do you? [/quote] Why not? You're wrong about everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Apart from your made up "fact" about Bach, you being more a troll than contributing or being unable to interpret dialogue. As you've already proved in your tantrum Jaco non-thread and subsequent replies, despite having it pointed out to you by other BCers, most of your almost-to-be-100 posts haven't been that helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethFlatlands Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 People express opinions, troll responds with trolling. Are we really up to 21 pages of this now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Vader Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKo17FJo9p8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKo17FJo9p8[/url] this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaFunk Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360787028' post='1976603'] As you've already proved in your tantrum Jaco non-thread and subsequent replies, despite having it pointed out to you by other BCers, most of your almost-to-be-100 posts haven't been that helpful. [/quote] Please don't knock the Jaco non-thread as it's my favourite BC moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1360794863' post='1976792'] Please don't knock the Jaco non-thread as it's my favourite BC moment. [/quote] Now it's been resurrected and born again hard in a way that Jesus would be proud of. [i](That reads better if you do it in a Gunnery Sergeant Hartman voice)[/i] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowender Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1360787028' post='1976603'] Apart from your made up "fact" about Bach, you being more a troll than contributing or being unable to interpret dialogue. As you've already proved in your tantrum Jaco non-thread and subsequent replies, despite having it pointed out to you by other BCers, most of your almost-to-be-100 posts haven't been that helpful. [/quote] Nice try. Maybe if you're more indignant you can make your drivel sound less inane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sausage Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360769148' post='1976174'] I hate to admit it but I agree on Geddy. He can play. He 's good, but nothing particularly original or amazing. In other words, nothing Entwistle and Squire and their imitators hadn't already done. As for Mac -- this is what you're missing. It isn't his technical skill. Anybody playing for 2 years can play pretty much any of his bass lines. It's the COMPOSITIONAL skill. His ideas, voiceleading, phrasing, harmonic sense are all brilliant. Now if you don't get it, you don't get it and it can't be explained so you do. It's a little like the intro to Beethoven's 5th . It's one of the most powerful musical statements the world has ever known. But somebody can say, "Eh, it's only 4 notes. I CAN DO THAT." [/quote] I'm a big Beatles and Macca fan, with regards to his bass playing I wouldn't say his voiceleading etc are brilliant. They are just good. In relation to what was going on in White Pop it was brilliant but with regards to bass in a musical sense it's pretty basic, good, but basic. He was a cute player and i don't mean cos of his chubby cheeks and floppy hair! With regards to this thread will it ever end..............tomorrow never knows.....wahay...see what i did there! Edited February 13, 2013 by Lord Sausage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 [quote name='Lowender' timestamp='1360795879' post='1976813'] Nice try. Maybe if you're more indignant you can make your drivel sound less inane. [/quote] Hey, you're on a roll! Come on, if you try hard you can maybe make your 100th post a worthwhile one! It'd be an acheivement ........ for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaFunk Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I can feel another Jaco no-thread coming................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Fab factlet: John Lennon wrote many songs about peace and love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) In an attempt to get the thread back on track.............. I've just dusted off the 5 CDs and one vinyl album I own by The Beatles & they are........... Hard Days Night (vinyl) which I bought because i love the harp on "Should Have Known Better". Sgt Peppers (can't remember) Mystery Tour (Penny Lane - for a painting I was working on) The Blue GH 2xCd set (Get Back cos I love the bass tone & I like the bit in the film where they actually play live for a change) Revolver (can't remember) & Abbey Road (for "Something" & "Here Comes The Sun") I will also add that being mono (don't get excited, it's a reissue) the LP is excellent for setting up a t/t & speakers. Now, I've got a bloody good hi-fi, it can pick up an ant farting on a good day, so someone in the know tell me what I should listen to (edit: or more to the point what I should be listening out FOR on the above) , because so far as I remember, apart from the tracks listed - none of the others on them [u][i]move [/i][/u]me...... man. Speak now or forever hold your .......... [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360796955' post='1976838']..........peace.........[/quote] Edited February 13, 2013 by Big_Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 I dig a pygmy by Charles Hawtrey And The Deaf Aids, Phase one, in which Doris gets her oats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 (edited) [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360796955' post='1976838'] Fab factlet: John Lennon wrote many songs about peace and love [/quote] Are you googling these or are you like a font of factlets? Well I just made this 22 pages long.. Edited February 13, 2013 by Myke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 This topic is self-fulfilling. What other artists could command 22 pages 43 years after they disbanded after just a mere 7 year career? So, not influential at all then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 [quote name='Myke' timestamp='1360799693' post='1976888'] Are you googling these or are you like a font of factlets? Well I just made this 22 pages long.. [/quote] Font of Fab Factlets!... try saying that after a beetroot shandy OK, I know this thread is on its last legs, but it does occur to me that perhaps many of those that deny The Beatles level of influence are possibly those very same people that will sigh whenever Macca's on the box, saying, "Oh, look at that smug, arrogant p**ck... and look, Jeez, he's doing that f***in' peace sign again... twat!" I think it's likely that Sir Paul's more recent offerings, appearances, TV broadcasts and inevitable accompanying interviews, has effected their appreciation, of anything that [i]'that smug, arrogant p**ck[/i]' may have ever done. Even in this thread there has been the odd post started along the lines of, [i]I can't stand Paul McCartney...[/i], and then the poster has gone on to state why he thinks The Beatles are overrated. I wonder if Sir Macca had died in a bizarre boating accident 20 or 30 years ago if the tone of this thread may have been a little different. Fab factlet: As of Sunday, Sir Paul (Macca) McCartney is the proud( ) recipient of his 17th Grammy award... but you lot knew that already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfisher Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Ha! There you are then - proof of his being vastly over-rated. Surely a dozen Grammys is enough, not 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earbrass Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Well, alright then, the Beatles weren't so bad. But Elvis really was sh*t wasn't he? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 [quote name='Earbrass' timestamp='1360841875' post='1977177'] Well, alright then, the Beatles weren't so bad.[b] B[b]ut [/b]Elvis really was sh*t wasn't he?[/b] What? [/quote] He wasn't the world's best songwriter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 [quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1360840843' post='1977161']... if Sir Macca had died in a bizarre boating accident 20 or 30 years ago...[/quote] (...[i]in a Robert Robinson voice[/i]...) Ah, sir, but he did..! There's the rub..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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