Kiwi Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 FWIW - both my spectors have coil switching soapbars by Andy at Wizard. They switch between single coil and parallel humbucking settings and the preamp has an input buffer. That means the output of any coil selection remains the same volume. Even though the two middle coils aren't close together, they still manage a good enough impression of a stingray to sit comfortably in the mix of a Chic cover. So for the purpose of playing live, close enough is good enough. The outer coils sound a bit like a Tobias with a little more jazz bass bite. For recording, I wouldn't even bother with coil switching, I'd just bring two basses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1360956122' post='1979102'] Don't go stealing my ideas, Myke... IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME!? Joking aside- thanks for taking an interest! [/quote] Don't worry I won't I couldn't even if I wanted to.. Skint atm And yes it is.. almost... It's Mike No problem, I really want to build a bass my self so I'm learning all I can atm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1360956594' post='1979114'] Its also worth being clear that the coils can be physically accommodated too. It might be worth checking the single coil bridge pickup and MM humbucker don't overlap one another if you haven't done that already. [/quote] There's a feck-ton of space for the MM pickup [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1360956594' post='1979114'] If you have a pickup blend between the single coils, you'll still have to consider what happens when mixing one single coil and MM humbucker. If you won't be mixing jazz and MM outputs, a switch would be a simpler solution with a master volume. [/quote] I'm not sure i understand what you mean here? I think there might be a misunderstanding here, so i'm just going to explain more what i have in my head- Both jazz pickups are going to be wired to a single volume pot, which means both pickups will always be at the same level. The pot will be a pull pot for switching the jazz pickups to series. From the volume pot, the signal will go into the preamp. The MM will have its own volume pot, which won't be a pull pot, but the MM pickup will be wired in series constantly. The signal will go from the volume pot to the preamp. Of course, being a complete n00b (get me, spelling newbie like a cool kid), this could be completely wrong, and your previous post could be completely right, i just fail to understand it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 It's all very complex to my mind... If I were you I would just go and buy a delano hybrid system... it looks very very nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1360958387' post='1979165'] It's all very complex to my mind... If I were you I would just go and buy a delano hybrid system... it looks very very nice.... [/quote] I wouldn't be Milty if i didn't deliberately make things difficult for myself, then persevere through with it, because i won't compromise on certain things But sure, i'll check it out. This isn't a bit money project though. Cheap as possible is what i'm thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1360958731' post='1979177'] I wouldn't be Milty if i didn't deliberately make things difficult for myself, then persevere through with it, [b]because i won't compromise on certain things[/b] But sure, i'll check it out. This isn't a bit money project though. Cheap as possible is what i'm thinking. [/quote] then why bother ask us lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) I've drawn a diagram... this may or may not confuse things further. Please excuse the lack of legibility. Edited February 15, 2013 by MiltyG565 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1360959130' post='1979193'] then why bother ask us lot? [/quote] The first part wasn't entirely serious. I am willing to compromise, on lots of things actually, in the interests of looks, usability, sound and flexibility of the system. What i'm not willing the compromise on is the 2 jazz 1 MM pickup arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1360957865' post='1979149'] Both jazz pickups are going to be wired to a single volume pot, which means both pickups will always be at the same level. The pot will be a pull pot for switching the jazz pickups to series. From the volume pot, the signal will go into the preamp. The MM will have its own volume pot, which won't be a pull pot, but the MM pickup will be wired in series constantly. The signal will go from the volume pot to the preamp. [/quote] Both the jazz coils and the wiring for the coils in the MM humbucker are in parallel in the original instruments. If you want series, that's up to you but as I mentioned above, you'll have to reset your input gain on the amp/effects board every time you switch between parallel and series. It will drive soundmen NUTS. You also won't get the characteristic MM sound if the coils in the humbucker are in series. You will need to be clear about the effects of polarity when you mix the humbucker and the single coils. The jazz scoop comes from the single coils being reverse wound and reverse polarity in comparison to one another. I have no idea what will happen when you mix them with the humbucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1360960271' post='1979227'] You also won't get the characteristic MM sound if the coils in the humbucker are in series. [/quote] I have my OLP wired in series and it sounds blooming lovely (pardon my french). [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1360960271' post='1979227'] Both the jazz coils and the wiring for the coils in the MM humbucker are in parallel in the original instruments. If you want series, that's up to you but as I mentioned above, you'll have to reset your input gain on the amp/effects board every time you switch between parallel and series. It will drive soundmen NUTS. [/quote] Again, this probably isn't as big a deal as it seems. I'll probably use the jazz pickups in series most of the time, along with the MM, and then in parallel with the MM off for the jazz tones, and vice versa for the MM pickup (except it will be in series constantly). That's my plan anyway, and really the only reason why i want to be able to switch back to parallel, otherwise i would just wire it straight as series. [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1360960271' post='1979227'] You will need to be clear about the effects of polarity when you mix the humbucker and the single coils. The jazz scoop comes from the single coils being reverse wound and reverse polarity in comparison to one another. I have no idea what will happen when you mix them with the humbucker. [/quote] If they were out of polarity, would it not just be a case of reversing the wiring on the series switch the reverse the polarity on each Jazz pickup? I get what you're saying, i can test it and all before i start, but the only way i'm really going to see if it will work is if i try, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1360961137' post='1979237'] If they were out of polarity, would it not just be a case of reversing the wiring on the series switch the reverse the polarity on each Jazz pickup? I get what you're saying, i can test it and all before i start, but the only way i'm really going to see if it will work is if i try, is it not? [/quote] You'll get phase cancellation effects in certain settings. What kinds of effects will depend on the polarity of the humbucker coils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1360961604' post='1979249'] You'll get phase cancellation effects in certain settings. What kinds of effects will depend on the polarity of the humbucker coils. [/quote] ah right, i need to investigate further! cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myke Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Anything happened with this yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsmokebass Posted March 9, 2013 Share Posted March 9, 2013 I have the SD J's in my Gibson Krist Novoselic and although they're pretty good, I think if they where active they would really be something BSB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share Posted March 9, 2013 [quote name='Myke' timestamp='1362580069' post='2001601'] Anything happened with this yet? [/quote] Sorry, just seeing this now! No, not yet. I'm afraid it's on the backburner for the minute, but it will happen, i can guarantee that! Just focusing on another project at the minute. But let's see what happens in the next few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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