Dingus Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362516703' post='2000732'] I remember seeing OMD on ToTP, they depressed the f*** out of me. [/quote] Didn't Andy McClusky end up managing Atomic Kitten , and writing or co-writing most of their hits ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1362517908' post='2000764'] Didn't Andy McClusky end up managing Atomic Kitten , and writing or co-writing most of their hits ? [/quote] Are you f***ing serious!!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362517818' post='2000760'] I prefer the Uli Jon Roth approach [/quote] I bumped into him one afternoon in Leeds . True story . Unfortunately my childhood infatuation with the Scorpions was long over . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362517962' post='2000769'] Are you f***ing serious!!?? [/quote] He was in fact the [i]founder [/i]of Atomic Kitten. Edited March 5, 2013 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362517962' post='2000769'] Are you f***ing serious!!?? [/quote] I am serious . From Wikipedia , but accurate : [b] Atomic Kitten and The Genie Queen[/b] In 1997, McCluskey founded the UK [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music"]pop[/url] group [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Kitten"]Atomic Kitten[/url] and co-wrote several of their hit singles. Their song "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Again"]Whole Again[/url]", co-written by McCluskey, was his first UK [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chart-topper"]No.1[/url],[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McCluskey#cite_note-6"][6][/url][/sup] and he and his fellow songwriters were nominated for the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivor_Novello_Award"]Ivor Novello Award[/url] for excellence in songwriting.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McCluskey#cite_note-ivor-7"][7][/url][/sup] More recently, McCluskey formed White Noise Records and publishing label where he tried to recreate the formula of Atomic Kitten with Liverpool girl group, The Genie Queen.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McCluskey#cite_note-8"][8][/url][/sup] He also bought a recording studio, The Motor Museum, in Liverpool.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McCluskey#cite_note-9"][9][/url][/sup] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1362518036' post='2000773'] I bumped into him one afternoon in Leeds . True story . Unfortunately my childhood infatuation with the Scorpions was long over . [/quote] I love the Electric Sun stuff. But Tokyo Tapes was a great favourite of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1362518125' post='2000775'] I am serious . From Wikipedia , but accurate : [b] Atomic Kitten and The Genie Queen[/b] In 1997, McCluskey founded the UK [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music"]pop[/url] group [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_Kitten"]Atomic Kitten[/url] and co-wrote several of their hit singles. Their song "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Again"]Whole Again[/url]", co-written by McCluskey, was his first UK [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chart-topper"]No.1[/url],[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McCluskey#cite_note-6"][6][/url][/sup] and he and his fellow songwriters were nominated for the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivor_Novello_Award"]Ivor Novello Award[/url] for excellence in songwriting.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McCluskey#cite_note-ivor-7"][7][/url][/sup] More recently, McCluskey formed White Noise Records and publishing label where he tried to recreate the formula of Atomic Kitten with Liverpool girl group, The Genie Queen.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McCluskey#cite_note-8"][8][/url][/sup] He also bought a recording studio, The Motor Museum, in Liverpool.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_McCluskey#cite_note-9"][9][/url][/sup] [/quote] [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1362518119' post='2000774'] He was in fact the [i]founder [/i]of Atomic Kitten. [/quote] OMFG!! That's gotta piss Chris2112 off a bit hasn't it? Or perhaps not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362518232' post='2000777'] That's gotta piss Chris2112 off a bit hasn't it? [/quote] Well, there y'go. Every cloud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1362518308' post='2000782'] Well, there y'go. Every cloud... [/quote] Tee Hee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMX Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362510464' post='2000544'] I'm assuming you are being serious because you've been a gobsh*te in the past on similar subjects, so I am happy to say that your pronouncement is absolute bollocks. [/quote] +1 I couldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362518154' post='2000776'] I love the Electric Sun stuff. But Tokyo Tapes was a great favourite of mine. [/quote] I got Tokyo Tapes for Xmas in 1979 , and went to see them at the first ever Monsters Of Rock at Donnington in 1980 . Imagine my surprise some years later to see Ulrich himself negotiating the crowds of students outside Leeds University one weekday afternoon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Foxen Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1362518823' post='2000800'] I got Tokyo Tapes for Xmas in 1979 , and went to see them at the first ever Monsters Of Rock at Donnington in 1980 . Imagine my surprise some years later to see Ulrich himself negotiating the crowds of students outside Leeds University one weekday afternoon . [/quote] He runs some sort of weird guitar seminar now, the Sky Academy. He's an amazing musician really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1362519254' post='2000809'] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manual"]http://en.wikipedia....wiki/The_Manual[/url] [/quote] Very good I loved Jimmy Cauty's posters, Avebury, Stonehenge, LotR, and The Hobbit IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1362519476' post='2000817'] . Tokyo tapes is a great album, scorpions was the second band I ever seen live but Mathias jabs had already taken over from uli by then [/quote] He was alright, Mathias Jabs. I sort of miss that style of playing, Atomic Tommy M with UFO was damn good too, at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362519370' post='2000813'] He runs some sort of weird guitar seminar now, the Sky Academy. He's an amazing musician really. [/quote] He always struck me as being a little bit burnt- out from the Seventies , but a very influential guitarist nevertheless . German hippies are a breed unto themselves . God knows how many are still stuck in far- flung corners of the World trying to hitch hike back to Dusseldorf . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1362519732' post='2000826'] He always struck me as being a little bit burnt- out from the Seventies , but a very influential guitarist nevertheless . German hippies are a breed unto themselves . God knows how many are still stuck in far- flung corners of the World trying to hitch hike back to Dusseldorf . [/quote] He's got a very powerful but romantic way of playing and composing. And other than SRV, the only player that sounded a bit like Hendrix but with every bit the same power and total control of the instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2112 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362518232' post='2000777'] OMFG!! That's gotta piss Chris2112 off a bit hasn't it? Or perhaps not. [/quote] Not really. The late 90's was the absolute wilderness for any decent 80's outfit. Recent enough to remember firsthand, not yet distant enough to get nostalgic over (irrespective of whether the songs were good or not). Andy did the smart thing, finding himself at a musical impasse as the frontman of a 70's/80's electro rock outfit. He used his means to create a dire pop band, pull the strings and cream the profits. When the time was right for OMD to come back, they came back. Mind you, a cursory glance at the lyrics for 'New Babies, New Toys' should leave you in no doubt as to what he thinks of these naff pop acts, even if he has lined his pockets off the back of one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1362520156' post='2000837'] Germans are real rockers.[/quote] I only heard this for the first time three days ago from 1969!! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQJY8EVqzwA[/media] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xilddx Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='Chris2112' timestamp='1362520272' post='2000840'] Not really. The late 90's was the absolute wilderness for any decent 80's outfit. Recent enough to remember firsthand, not yet distant enough to get nostalgic over (irrespective of whether the songs were good or not). Andy did the smart thing, finding himself at a musical impasse as the frontman of a 70's/80's electro rock outfit. He used his means to create a dire pop band, pull the strings and cream the profits. When the time was right for OMD to come back, they came back. Mind you, a cursory glance at the lyrics for 'New Babies, New Toys' should leave you in no doubt as to what he thinks of these naff pop acts, even if he has lined his pockets off the back of one. [/quote] Well reasoned and perfectly fine. I think I'm a realist with music, I love good pop, I love some much more complicated orchestral stuff. I don't think pop gets the respect from musicians that it deserves, it is not easy, and it's usually misjudged by the cognoscenti. Some of it is just to cash up, but most is simply what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 in theory yes... but actually doing it and getting the break is another thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingus Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) [quote name='iceonaboy' timestamp='1362520156' post='2000837'] Germans are real rockers , I go over to hamburg now and again to see my mate who plays in a rock band, and the whole place is very metal orientated , gwaaar ist. Ein grosse metalenburger!!!! [/quote] Of course they are metal orientated - you can't make Panzer tanks out of wood ! Edited March 5, 2013 by Dingus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 And the french just smoke cigarettes over slow jazz in black and white, with a glass of wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltyG565 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 And we can't forget the soliloquy either. There's always a soliloquy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 [quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1362521181' post='2000865'] Some of it is just to cash up, but most is simply what it is. [/quote] I think most chart stuff is to cash up and relies more on the promotion than the skill of songwriting , find a formula, promote the bejesus out it and nail its hat on. lyrics and tune follow the promotion and sycophancy of the providers of airtime/press/reviews etc. I think a lot of people could write a hit tune, whether they have the influence to make it a hit is a completely different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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