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Too high SPL, is the band or the venue responsible?


Dandelion
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[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1370805257' post='2105834']
What do those two stand for then? You know...how and apt...as we're talking about 3 letter wot nots.
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[quote name='sprocketflup' timestamp='1370806642' post='2105852']
are you really asking "Who, Pat?"
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But has Don got amp GAS now?

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[quote name='Dandelion' timestamp='1370800004' post='2105732']
Regarding pub gigs and venues of that ilk.
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Are you wanting to know if it's too loud inside, or outside? If the neighbours complain, it's the venue's responsibility. Too loud inside it's the artist's responsibility, however one could argue the case that the venue are responsible for allowing it.

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[quote name='Spike Vincent' timestamp='1370857531' post='2106246']

Are you wanting to know if it's too loud inside, or outside? If the neighbours complain, it's the venue's responsibility. Too loud inside it's the artist's responsibility, however one could argue the case that the venue are responsible for allowing it.
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TLO or TLI.

The venue owner has a duty of care to his employees under H&S. I'm not sure of his exact requirements to the public. He is also responsible for the band. In the event of an accident the public sue the landlord and then the landlords insurers sue the band.

If it's too loud outside and it's causing a nuisance then the landlord needs to keep it down or the council won't renew his drinks license - if he asks you to turn down - JDI.

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[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1370861268' post='2106333']


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In the event of an accident

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It would have to be a definitive accident resulting in serious hearing loss as it's impossible to attribute one gig to slow build up of hearing loss.

Your brain acts like a volume control, as you lose your hearing, it turns up its internal amp. You don't notice you're going deaf. Until one day it can't turn up the amp anymore and all you hear is the 'woosh'.

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From [url="http://www.hse.gov.uk/noise/mythaug07.pdf"][color="#0f72da"]http://www.hse.gov.u...e/mythaug07.pdf[/color][/url]



[size=4][b]Public [/b][/size]


[size=4][b]All loud leisure noise is dangerous noise [/b][/size]
[size=4][font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]No. There is a tendency when talking about the risk, for the less well informed, to consider only the level of noise exposure and not the duration of exposure. There is also a tendency to sensationalise the risks of non-occupational exposure. For example, a story may warn that rock concerts are typically ‘130dB SPL’ (sound pressure level). This is one of the highest levels reported for rock concert noise. The mean of published sound levels from rock concerts is closer to 100 dB. [/font][/font][/size]


[size=4][font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]There is also confusion over the annoyance and temporary effects of a loud exposure (eg TTS or temporary threshold shift) which are widespread, and the risk of permanent hearing damage, which is minimal. Studies show that most listeners sustain moderate TTS and recover within a few hours to a few days after exposure. The risk of sustaining permanent hearing loss from attending rock concerts is small, and limited to those who frequently attend such events. [/font][/font][/size]


[size=4][b]So audiences will have to wear ugly ear defenders at concerts in future [/b][/size]
[size=4][font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]No. The Regulations do not apply to members of the public. When attending concerts they are making an informed choice to do so. They attend relatively infrequently when compared to workers. However, members of the public can and do buy their own earplugs. [/font][/font][/size]


[size=4][b]If I like music, it is less damaging to my ears [/b][/size]
[size=4][font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]If your ears are regularly exposed to the equivalent of excessive industrial noise levels you are at risk of hearing damage, irrespective of whether music is enjoyable or not. While music we like may be less stressful, that in itself does not act as a mechanism to prevent hearing damage. Noise exposure is determined by the volume of sound and the duration for which it continues. [/font][/font][/size]

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[quote name='Dandelion' timestamp='1370800223' post='2105740']
Sound pressure level WPD, If its too loud and hearing gets damaged whom gets sued?
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See my post above regarding the risks. You haven't stated who you are considering to be at risk, venue staff are covered by the Noise at Work regs and must take suitable precautions against noise exposure, the public are deemed to have made an informed decision to attend.

There is no difference in legal requirements for different venue sizes AFAIAA

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[quote]Dandelion, on 09 June 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:
Three Letter Anagrams...

I think you mean 'Acronyms' [/PEDANT]
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Actually most have been initialisms not acronyms - acronyms make a word you can say like NATO or NIMBY etc [/SUPERPEDANT]

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FYI...

The majority of people expose themselves to high SPL almost daily by having their personal music playing far too loud into headphones. They've probably made themselves deaf before they even step foot into the pub you're playing in!

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