iconic Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Long storey short...guys buys a car from me, his mate has a WAL, it's not insured, two beered up idiots get hold of WAL in the break, fight over who should play it, bass gets dropped, damages the head.....ugly scene. ...so WAL not insured, the owner is now trying to take the bar owner to court over negligence....hmm...tough one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Surely it's the fault of the idiots concerned? Where has personal responsibility gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1370804079' post='2105812'] Surely it's the fault of the idiots concerned? Where has personal responsibility gone? [/quote] Yup, presumably the Wal owner can't trace them and doesn't want to / can't afford the repair so is chancing his luck with the venue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles'tone Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Lesson learned: Don't take your Wal to the pub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goingdownslow Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) What tyres were on the car? Edited June 9, 2013 by goingdownslow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 [quote name='miles'tone' timestamp='1370804362' post='2105820'] Lesson learned: Don't take your Wal to the pub. [/quote] That, or Wal stays in case whilst not strapped to body. That's what I do at any gig with any bass to avoid accidental damage.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Cloud Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Oh dear, the inherent dangers of gigging in pubs with high quality instruments. As far as I can see the unfortunate Wal owner is on to plums..as we say in this locality. Anyone who messes with my instruments without asking first at gigs does so at the risk of a quick, but painful death!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjones Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 [quote name='miles'tone' timestamp='1370804362' post='2105820'] Lesson learned: Don't take your Wal to the pub. [/quote] Harsh but fair. If you do insist on taking three grands worth of boutique bass to play at the local boozer be prepared for heartache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaFunk Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I can't work out what the car has got to do with the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalMan Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 [quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1370811468' post='2105947'] I can't work out what the car has got to do with the story. [/quote]Oh good. I'm glad it's not just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockfordStone Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 well really its the idiots that broke it, but you don't leave a WAL in a place where beered up idiots can get hold of it in the first place... and if you are gigging a WAL bass you insure it. unless the venue has a designated store/safe room, then it surely can't be there fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 What type of car was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gust0o Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 In a bid to make a long story short I got lost at the car? I'm assuming that's just how you know the guy with the Wal. I think he'd have to make a case against the individual or individuals who damaged it. I imagine the venue will have a disclaimer saying the band assumes responsibility, or he would simply not be able to get anything against them - I mean, in all honesty, they didn't damage it, did they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Rocket Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) I doubt the car insurance would cover it, but it might be worth a try Edited June 9, 2013 by Junkyard Rocket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 The guys that broke it. End of. No need for a disclaimer for the venue, they didn't do it. I cannot believe anyone would gig an uninsured instrument of that value ! Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Junkyard Rocket' timestamp='1370814981' post='2106011'] I doubt the car insurance would cover it, but it might be worth a try [size=4][/quote][/size] [size=4]Depends if it's fully comp or just third party fire and theft.[/size] Edited June 9, 2013 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbunney Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 How on earth is this the bars fault? ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 [quote name='goingdownslow' timestamp='1370804543' post='2105822'] What tyres were on the car? [/quote] new Bridgestones on every corner sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 trying to go after the venue is imho lazy and disingenuous and will serve little purpose other than possibly having the legal rottweilers from the brewery snarling at your friend and as for the venue manager, dont be surprised if he/she is less amicable towards future bookings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) I know, my jaw hit the ground when I heard this, I did find it incredulous that: 1/ The WAL wasn't insured at all seems the owner was of the [i]assumption[/i] that his house contents cover 'covered' the bass...expensive assumption! More money need not equal more brains. 2/ The two guys who were the cause of it all by scrapping over best pi**ed bass player, did a runner after the scuffle, then as sometimes happens in these situations, everyone has memory failure as to names etc...although christian names were heard by those breaking things up. .... I'm guessing the WAL owner is 'trying it on' the pubs public liabilty insurance possibly because he feels the two guys are known to the landlord, but landlord doesn't wish to bubble them up and WAL man (WALly?) hasn't anywhere else to go with this? A sorry tale indeed. Edited June 10, 2013 by iconic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted June 10, 2013 Author Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) [quote name='BetaFunk' timestamp='1370811468' post='2105947'] I can't work out what the car has got to do with the story. [/quote] Nothing at all my cars aren't trouble...usually! Edited June 10, 2013 by iconic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-bbb Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 [quote name='iconic' timestamp='1370847210' post='2106126'] .. I'm guessing the WAL owner is 'trying it on' the pubs public liabilty insurance possibly because he feels the two guys are known to the landlord, but landlord doesn't wish to bubble them up and WAL man (WALly?) hasn't anywhere else to go with this? A sorry tale indeed. [/quote] youre friend could report it to local police as criminal damage - from your OP it sounds as though there is grounds for this to be reckless criminal damage rather than an unfortunate accident - the police could then request cctv from the landlord - but if he does i would suggest that he mentions this to the police as the landlord might try and fob them off that the cctv wasnt recording properly or some excuse so he doesnt have to grass his friends up if thats what you suspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Well, I find it wholly disgusting. I stopped working behind bars because of changes in the licensing laws which basically passed a lot of the blame for patrons' drunkenness onto the staff. We don't pour it down their throats! We had a loosely defined duty of care and we stopped serving someone who is out of it, but who's to stop someone buying a drink for some poor SOB who is already legless then falls over and splits their head open? Now that's our fault? Up yours. I quit. Venues are being hounded and harassed on all sides by the Police, Councils' licensing boards, the PRS and now stuff like this? Sometimes I'm surprised they bother to open their doors at all. And before you question my credentials, I know venue owners personally and have installed and maintained CCTV in a couple of places. What fun - bouncers getting put in the dock for doing their job - physically restraining someone who is throwing punches around is assault, apparently. I've been hauled to court as a witness to something I never actually saw because I lifted the CCTV footage, I spent a whole morning waiting around then finally the perp changed his plea. Wonderful. It's not a morning off work by the way - it's a morning of sitting around uneasily in a waiting area playing spot the junkie. Fun. As far as I can see, rather than the courts tackle the drunken individuals who can't or won't handle their ale, they'd rather solve the problem by harassing venue owners and staff. They'd love it if all the bars in the country closed. Someone also told me that if a contractor falls off their own badly maintained ladder on your property, you're liable and can be sued? Is that right? Now someone has taken their eye off the ball, something bad happened that was completely unforeseeable by the venue staff/management (and indeed, unless they're running a bass crèche, not their problem) and he's trying to extract compensation out of the venue? Balls to that. In a perfect world you would be able to leave your property lying out and people that have nothing to do with it would leave it well alone, but this isn't a perfect world. I despise the way this world is going. Blame anyone but yourself. In my opinion there are two problems here - of course the vast majority of the blame is on the drunken idiots who fkd about with the bass in the first place but a smidgeon of blame rests with the owner for not taking the appropriate steps to secure his property IF he left it unattended. It's no-one else's problem or concern. Deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Cloud Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1370857028' post='2106237'] Well, I find it wholly disgusting. I stopped working behind bars because of changes in the licensing laws which basically passed a lot of the blame for patrons' drunkenness onto the staff. We don't pour it down their throats! We had a loosely defined duty of care and we stopped serving someone who is out of it, but who's to stop someone buying a drink for some poor SOB who is already legless then falls over and splits their head open? Now that's our fault? Up yours. I quit. Venues are being hounded and harassed on all sides by the Police, Councils' licensing boards, the PRS and now stuff like this? Sometimes I'm surprised they bother to open their doors at all. And before you question my credentials, I know venue owners personally and have installed and maintained CCTV in a couple of places. What fun - bouncers getting put in the dock for doing their job - physically restraining someone who is throwing punches around is assault, apparently. I've been hauled to court as a witness to something I never actually saw because I lifted the CCTV footage, I spent a whole morning waiting around then finally the perp changed his plea. Wonderful. It's not a morning off work by the way - it's a morning of sitting around uneasily in a waiting area playing spot the junkie. Fun. As far as I can see, rather than the courts tackle the drunken individuals who can't or won't handle their ale, they'd rather solve the problem by harassing venue owners and staff. They'd love it if all the bars in the country closed. Someone also told me that if a contractor falls off their own badly maintained ladder on your property, you're liable and can be sued? Is that right? Now someone has taken their eye off the ball, something bad happened that was completely unforeseeable by the venue staff/management (and indeed, unless they're running a bass crèche, not their problem) and he's trying to extract compensation out of the venue? Balls to that. In a perfect world you would be able to leave your property lying out and people that have nothing to do with it would leave it well alone, but this isn't a perfect world. I despise the way this world is going. Blame anyone but yourself. In my opinion there are two problems here - of course the vast majority of the blame is on the drunken idiots who fkd about with the bass in the first place but a smidgeon of blame rests with the owner for not taking the appropriate steps to secure his property IF he left it unattended. It's no-one else's problem or concern. Deal with it. [/quote] This is wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronj279 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I think someone should take better care of their several thousand pound bass. I wouldnt and don't take my eye off my bass if I'm in a public place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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