coffee_king Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Sorry but I couldnt find a relevant forum section to put this under, so please move it if necessary. I've been offered some work on a cruise ship, but the T&Cs state NO ALCOHOL WHAT SO EVER. And it is stated many many times. I cannot either bring it on board or buy it from the ships many bars. Now, I'm no alcoholic and never drink before or during a gig, but who doesnt like a nice cold beer after a long hot sweaty performance? I'm just wondering if anyone else whose done cruise ships can advise if this is the norm or not? Its just sounds so.....Nazi to me. Its a 2 week back to back job and I guess I could live without alcohol for this time, but its not going to make my stay anymore enjoyable. Yes, I know its WORK by the way. Anyone? Quote
chris_b Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Not much to discuss. If you want the gig then you know what to do. Quote
Wooks79 Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 There is discussion to be had, he's asked if this is the norm? 1 Quote
dannybuoy Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 I would have a cheeky beer after the gig - what are they gonna do, throw you off? Obviously don't get wasted and start touching up the captain's wife. Talk to the others on board first to gauge the situation to work out whether or not the rules are there to be bent! I worked behind a bar once many years ago and my contract said something similar, but my boss always let me have a free pint at the end of a long shift. Quote
Cat Burrito Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 I've not done cruise ship work myself but I am familiar with written terms and conditions at venues being a little more relaxed once you actually get there. That said I wouldn't assume this will be the case. Personally I could go without very easily but we're all different. I can't help but wonder if they had a problem in the past with a previous musician? I'm kind of with Chris_b in that if these are the rules then you have to adhere to them. I also wonder if the 2wks would be a nightmare as they may set very high standards but all this is speculation and you wouldn't know unless you go and find out Quote
hubrad Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Is that 'no drink in work hours' or 'no drink on board'? First one sounds perfectly reasonable; second one, draconian but possibly there's been some kind of trouble before. Might be worth asking the prospective employer to clarify, but as said above - do you want the work? Quote
aende Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 [quote name='shippo' timestamp='1373636333' post='2139972'] Sorry but I couldnt find a relevant forum section to put this under, so please move it if necessary. I've been offered some work on a cruise ship, but the T&Cs state NO ALCOHOL WHAT SO EVER. And it is stated many many times. I cannot either bring it on board or buy it from the ships many bars. Now, I'm no alcoholic and never drink before or during a gig, but who doesnt like a nice cold beer after a long hot sweaty performance? I'm just wondering if anyone else whose done cruise ships can advise if this is the norm or not? Its just sounds so.....Nazi to me. Its a 2 week back to back job and I guess I could live without alcohol for this time, but its not going to make my stay anymore enjoyable. Yes, I know its WORK by the way. Anyone? [/quote] Lets put it this way, you are not gonna be steering the boat...... Quote
crez5150 Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 I had that before but it was only during working hours. Quote
coffee_king Posted July 12, 2013 Author Posted July 12, 2013 Hi They state "No alcohol at all, inside, or outside of working hours". This does seem really odd to me. Quote
hubrad Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Possibly some tie-in with one of the countries where alcohol just doesn't happen anyway? Quote
thodrik Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 It might be a T&C that was included as part of a contract that nobody pays attention to, or is aware of. Or it could be an important term of the contract that the employer insists on. Probably a good idea to talk to the employer rather than do a 'what about this?' post on a forum. Quote
Qlank Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Take some weed, they seem to be to be a bit picky about booze. 1 Quote
Ian Savage Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 [quote name='Qlank' timestamp='1373653338' post='2140310'] Take some weed, they seem to be to be a bit picky about booze. [/quote] Aye, is there a 'no buckets of cocaine and methamphetamine' clause? 1 Quote
ironside1966 Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 I am going back a few years but when I last worked on ships there was a no alcohol policy but we smuggled alcohol in. Saying that I have known musicians contract terminated on the spot for that very reason. Quote
Lord Sausage Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Just use the old Muso trick of gettting a bottle of sparkling mineral water and filling it up with Gin and Tonic! Quote
pierreganseman Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 if no alcohol, then if you want the gig..... that's the way it'll be i've seen people being fired and getting flown off the ship, and back to Berlin, at their own expenses.... for drinking a beer after the working time lol so... careful Quote
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 [quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1373663491' post='2140464'] Sounds ridiculous. A few wouldn't hurt. [/quote] Indeed... [attachment=138982:Crui_Wrec.jpg] Quote
andytoad Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 We had that about 10 years ago on a regular ferry, if you want the gig, do the time. I lost a stone or two and mostly slept! Quote
JTUK Posted July 12, 2013 Posted July 12, 2013 Lots of employees have a zero policy on alcohol and there may well be a good reason to have one... in view of past experiences, but I would be want to be very sure about how strictly this is enforced. Maybe commit to the short stint and see how it plays out It depends how important either stance is to you It doesn't sound much fun to me... Quote
Nibody Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 Bit like taking a job that involves wearing a monkey suit. Don't want to wear the suit? Don't take the gig. I suppose Technically being a cruise you are "on duty" and representing the employer at all times as you are effectively on the ship 24/7. I suppose a total alcohol ban is easier to enforce. Quote
lowdown Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 (edited) [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1373664049' post='2140474'] Indeed... [attachment=138982:Crui_Wrec.jpg] [/quote] One persons few, is not another persons few. Regarding the OP - It does happen, but is not the norm [It's usually the Ferry Crossing gigs] Done many Cruise ship gigs around the World and there was never a zero no booze policy, and there are few others on this forum who have done the same cruises - folk tend to be responsible [full off the rails occasionally] However I did a couple of the short two week crossings, back and forth from Spain & France with a zero booze policy, and on both occasions a Muso was sent home for boozing. If you like a drink, stay away from the [OP] gig - There is always someone willing to grass you up. I ain't drunk booze for around ten years, so it would not bother me... However these days, the gig would.... Garry Edited July 13, 2013 by lowdown Quote
jazzyvee Posted July 13, 2013 Posted July 13, 2013 I did a 23 day Caribbean cruise as a session with a band a few years ago. We got a briefing by the entertainments manager on board and she gave us the practical view of the rules and regs. We were not permitted to be intoxicated on duty or at any time above deck. We were defined as a guest band so we were free to use all public areas but this may not be the same for your situation. I did the gig for the experience but its not something I'd want to do regularly. Jazzyvee Quote
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