Passive PJ 5 String

[Bloc Riff Nut]

It's nearly midnight here in Holland and I just got in from work (I started at 07:00 this morning).
Had a really busy day that went pear-shaped when I realised that my iphone had been stolen :-(
Still got 16 months on the contract.
Anyway, I've just managed to delete the phone via icloud and my provider has blocked the sim-card.
Now I need to take my mind off it by thinking about something positive like my new bass search ;-)

I've convinced myself I need a Passive PJ 5'er with the jack insert in the front of the body(by the vol tone controls and not in the side).
I've got an active ACG with filter controls but it's too fidly or complicated to switch from one tone to another. I do love the asymetric zero radius neck though. My second bass is a Fender Jap Jazz '75 reissue( I changed the passive controls/pups for J-retro and Wizards ). The Jazz now has an imense tonal scope but again there just seem to be too many options for me to dial in the tone I want.
I've been looking around for PJ5'ers but they're either too expensive(Mike Lull) or side jack insert or active.

My budget is around 1000GBP or a trade for the above mentioned basses. Secondhand not new.
Please cheer me up with some PJ pics.

I won't be able to check the thread until tomorrow afternoon though because I don't have a smart phone ;-/

Cheers,

Phil.

[Old Horse Murphy]

Check out my old Shuker 5 string PJ for sale at Bass Gear. It's a stunner

http://www.bassgear.co.uk/product/5-string-bass-guitars-po/shuker-custom-p5/

[uncle psychosis]

Why so restricted by the jack position?

[JapanAxe]

[quote name='Old Horse Murphy' timestamp='1374789990' post='2153393']
Check out my old Shuker 5 string PJ for sale at Bass Gear. It's a stunner

[url="http://www.bassgear.co.uk/product/5-string-bass-guitars-po/shuker-custom-p5/"]http://www.bassgear....uker-custom-p5/[/url]
[/quote]

Don't usually go a bundle on PJs but that is a nice-looking 5-er!

[skelf]

Have a look at my Graft range it covers most of what you have mentioned.

Alan

[andydye]

[quote name='skelf' timestamp='1374845355' post='2153995']
Have a look at my Graft range it covers most of what you have mentioned.
Alan
[/quote]

Bingo!

[Bloc Riff Nut]

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1374791620' post='2153428']
Why so restricted by the jack position?
[/quote]
I dropped my first bass, some 20 years ago, and it landed on the jack making a right mess of it all. I've also had issues with loose jacks and dodgy connections. And I don't like the way the jack plug and cable come dangerously close to the floor when the bass is in a stand. It's probably all in my head ;-)

[Bloc Riff Nut]

[quote name='skelf' timestamp='1374845355' post='2153995']
Have a look at my Graft range it covers most of what you have mentioned.

Alan
[/quote]
Hi Allan,

I didn't see any PJ's on your site, but if you had one with a control plate for simple folk like myself I'd bite yer 'and off!

[skelf]

Hi
I can do a P/J. The P is in the large soapbar I don't do the split cover but internally the pickup is a standard P Bass split coil. I don't do plates for the controls they are through body. The passive controls are volume/tone/4 way rotary selector. All the details can be found here.

[url="http://www.acguitars.co.uk/acg_admin/wordpress/graft-specification/"]http://www.acguitars.co.uk/acg_admin/wordpress/graft-specification/[/url]

[geoffbyrne]

A Yamaha BB415 would meet those needs perfectly, although it may not be up to the quality desired.

G.

Edited July 27, 2013 by geoffbyrne

[andydye]

[quote name='skelf' timestamp='1374864194' post='2154305']
Hi
I can do a P/J. The P is in the large soapbar I don't do the split cover but internally the pickup is a standard P Bass split coil. I don't do plates for the controls they are through body. The passive controls are volume/tone/4 way rotary selector. All the details can be found here.

[url="http://www.acguitars.co.uk/acg_admin/wordpress/graft-specification/"]http://www.acguitars.co.uk/acg_admin/wordpress/graft-specification/[/url]
[/quote]

Alan's building a passive pj fretless 5'er for me at the mo...

[Bloc Riff Nut]

[quote name='skelf' timestamp='1374864194' post='2154305']
Hi
I can do a P/J. The P is in the large soapbar I don't do the split cover but internally the pickup is a standard P Bass split coil. I don't do plates for the controls they are through body. The passive controls are volume/tone/4 way rotary selector. All the details can be found here.

[url="http://www.acguitars.co.uk/acg_admin/wordpress/graft-specification/"]http://www.acguitars...-specification/[/url]
[/quote]
The 4-way rotary and vol tone combi is perfect for me, love the necks and the Graft Gallas has an unFenderlike shape which aI also love.
Cheers, I think it's time to sort some funds out.
[url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/tq9u.jpg/"][/url]

Edited July 29, 2013 by Bloc Riff Nut

[iiipopes]

A P/J is a bad design for a 5-string bass: 1) the extra tuner and thicker, heavier neck makes it neck heavy, since the upper horn is only long enough to balance 4; 2) the B string binds around the tuner post, risking breakage and rough tuning; 3) the one-piece neck is prone to dead notes; 4) The pickups can be unbalanced both in tone and from string-to-string - P thump does not necessarily equal solid fundamental on a B string, and J growl does not necessarily equal clarity. Now, I say this, owning a custom half-fanned P/J style bass as my 4-string (which there is a thread about on this forum). Instead, here are the criteria for a good 5-string bass:

1) At least a three-piece neck for stability and damping of resonances (dead notes).
2) 2 (B&E) + 3 (ADG) tuner arrangement so the B string doesn't bind over the nut or around the tuner, but has enough space between the nut and the tuner for the string leader to wrap and tune the B string smoothly.
3) Lightweight Hipshot, Gotoh or Schaller tuners.
4) The "neck" pickup in proportionally the same position as the D-G segment of a Precision bass pickup to get the proper balance of fundamental and overtones on the B string.
5) Longer upper horn to balance the bass against neck dive.
6) Clean broad-band hum-cancelling electronics, whether active or passive, because Jazz growl doesn't necessarily equal clean when it gets to the B string and P thump doesn't necessarily mean solid fundamental and sustain.

Notice I did not say anything about nut width, bridge spacing, scaling, neck contour or body wood. This is because these are all personal preferences and good basses are out there with all variations on these themes.

Edited July 29, 2013 by iiipopes

[andydye]

[quote name='iiipopes' timestamp='1375109103' post='2156770']
A P/J is a bad design for a 5-string bass: 1) the extra tuner and thicker, heavier neck makes it neck heavy, since the upper horn is only long enough to balance 4; 2) the B string binds around the tuner post, risking breakage and rough tuning; 3) the one-piece neck is prone to dead notes; 4) The pickups can be unbalanced both in tone and from string-to-string - P thump does not necessarily equal solid fundamental on a B string, and J growl does not necessarily equal clarity. Now, I say this, owning a custom half-fanned P/J style bass as my 4-string (which there is a thread about on this forum). Instead, here are the criteria for a good 5-string bass:

1) At least a three-piece neck for stability and damping of resonances (dead notes).
2) 2 (B&E) + 3 (ADG) tuner arrangement so the B string doesn't bind over the nut or around the tuner, but has enough space between the nut and the tuner for the string leader to wrap and tune the B string smoothly.
3) Lightweight Hipshot, Gotoh or Schaller tuners.
4) The "neck" pickup in proportionally the same position as the D-G segment of a Precision bass pickup to get the proper balance of fundamental and overtones on the B string.
5) Longer upper horn to balance the bass against neck dive.
6) Clean broad-band hum-cancelling electronics, whether active or passive, because Jazz growl doesn't necessarily equal clean when it gets to the B string and P thump doesn't necessarily mean solid fundamental and sustain.

Notice I did not say anything about nut width, bridge spacing, scaling, neck contour or body wood. This is because these are all personal preferences and good basses are out there with all variations on these themes.
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You're still gunning for the ACG PJ then as Alan incorporates all of those and more in his specs and design...